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 1000 FacesThread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 41 - 2022-04-26 at 1:54 PM
2022-04-26 at 11:54 AM - Rampant: 2022-04-25 at 4:14 PM - Nair0lF: The hist dosent Show that this player was camping, he could but could also was moving around, you only can see it, if you spectate the player, but like i said, its not a big Deal if someone have 3 kills in 5 min or 6 kills in 5 min at same place, then you please the player to move on, if the player dont move on, kick him. Like i said before i checked the kill list in the console and it was all 1 place. If it had been any other player that doesnt complain as much as he does he would have had a warning before he reached the 5 kills His complaining about spawnkillers and spawncampers gave him zero tolerance for his own camping from my side and so was the judgement on TS with the other admins so if theres any doubt about the judgement of 3 admins plz say so. I was not in the same place the whole time, you continuing to say that doesn't make it true. You are wrong. Nair0lF has been trying to explain that they way you "determined" I was in the same spot was incorrect. Listen to him and learn something. If you thought I was staying in the same spot you should have spec'd me and recorded it for proof. Had you done that you would have seen I was moving, as detailed earlier in this thread in my response to Bitter's pizza analogy. You keep bringing up yourself and 3 other admins, yet none of you took the time to spec and see what was going on. I'm sure you convinced them I was in the same spot, which was incorrect. You were just trigger happy, pun intended, and kicked me without a valid reason. I don't blame the other admins who were on, but I do blame you and stand by my statement that you abused your admin rights. You're right, I do complain about getting spawn killed. I was playing yesterday on Hanger and got SK'd 11 times as a result of people camping our spawn in the hanger. I'm always going to complain about something like that, as should everyone. It is against the rules. |
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 Mr.MTipLieutenant General III Posts: 305 |
# Answer: 42 - 2022-04-26 at 4:53 PM
It seems to me as though we have a situation where admins actively watched, conversed, and agreed on a punishment. I dont have a problem with that. We also have admins who play everyday adding their two cents and all in agreement with the kick. Last week you got 3 hours and today youre still talking about it. I dont have a problem with that either. I do have a problem with the initial complaint being followed up with "If he is going to act like that then he shouldn't be an admin. How many times has he been called out for burst running? Yet he is still an admin? Really?" I dont think I have ever witnessed Rampant burst running. Now I might be wrong, but I dont have video evidence for it and neither do you, 1000. I would like to invite 1000Faces and anyone else to practice what he preaches in all matters concerning the complaints 1000 says he is always going to make in matters such as this from now on. Spectate and record from now on whenever you have a problem that needs solving in game. Please, do this and..... enjoy your time playing |
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| 1000 Faces Thread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 43 - 2022-04-26 at 6:56 PM
2022-04-26 at 4:53 PM - Mr.MTip: It seems to me as though we have a situation where admins actively watched, conversed, and agreed on a punishment. I dont have a problem with that. We also have admins who play everyday adding their two cents and all in agreement with the kick. Last week you got 3 hours and today youre still talking about it. I dont have a problem with that either. I do have a problem with the initial complaint being followed up with "If he is going to act like that then he shouldn't be an admin. How many times has he been called out for burst running? Yet he is still an admin? Really?" I dont think I have ever witnessed Rampant burst running. Now I might be wrong, but I dont have video evidence for it and neither do you, 1000. I would like to invite 1000Faces and anyone else to practice what he preaches in all matters concerning the complaints 1000 says he is always going to make in matters such as this from now on. Spectate and record from now on whenever you have a problem that needs solving in game. Please, do this and..... enjoy your time playing That's just it Tip, they didn't watch. None of them ever stopped playing to spec me and see how I was playing. They assumed based on what Rampant was telling them in TS. I would not have had an issue with the kick had I actually been camping, and had they actually spec'd me to verify that. Neither happened though. I was not camping, and had they actually watched they would know that. There was a period a few months ago when Rampant was burst running quite a bit, and I saw him get kicked at least twice on one map for it. Then again on the following map. Water under the bridge I suppose, but I was surprised to see him with admin rights given that. I'll drop this. Yes, I know it was only 3 hours a week ago, but I do not like being falsely accused and kicked as a result. Last edit by 1000 Faces at 2022-04-26 at 7:02 PM (1x Edited) |
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| 1000 Faces Thread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 44 - 2022-04-26 at 7:01 PM
Whoops....double post. Removed..... Last edit by 1000 Faces at 2022-04-26 at 7:02 PM (1x Edited) |
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 RampantMajor I Posts: 196 |
# Answer: 45 - 2022-04-27 at 4:19 AM
2022-04-26 at 1:02 PM - Nair0lF: How can or do you check it on the console? The console dosent Show any location? Its not against you, but the only way to proof is to be in spectate, !hist or even check the kills at the console say or proof nothing, you are New, so thats why i tell it to you, how you need to go through this .  Like i said i could see the list of who he killed and i was 1 of the 1st in that line and 1 of the last in that line and those names you can see in console using shift + ~ you can read back the console log at that moment. And i said before !hist showed 6 kills In the console i read who had been killed at that streak without him dying i was 1 of the 1st and 1 of the last all at same spot case I always check on screen who gets killed in front of me and behind me so i know if an enemy is there. NEW not really maybe to OTaC yes but i have had my share as being an admin for years (like my own clans and for 2 years on the 10th mtn) And i as said we where online on TS and we all agreed on this, im the 1 that carried it out lucky for Faces, as i said before the other admins had much longer times in mind (i fi recall it right i think Angus was good for a 24 hour kick and Divide30541 was up for a week) |
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 Nair0lFMaster of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 46 - 2022-04-27 at 4:44 AM
Anyways, now you know how to do it
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| Nair0lF Master of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 47 - 2022-04-27 at 4:52 AM
I dont know if he is known for overcamping , but please do like the guideline said, no matter what others doing ,or saying , but the reason is, we do not warn for camping, Bitter make it that your name show up when warning for camping, kick only is good enough, he loose his score and points and like i said, its not a big Deal if he has 6 kills, you can say above of 6 are suspect when he is at same places, but without being in spectate its not a good proof, even you are behind or next to him, but look at your !hist you post, after the 6 kill he get killed, so all should be good. Last edit by Nair0lF at 2022-04-27 at 4:54 AM (1x Edited) |
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| 1000 Faces Thread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 48 - 2022-04-27 at 6:55 AM
2022-04-27 at 4:19 AM - Rampant: 2022-04-26 at 1:02 PM - Nair0lF: How can or do you check it on the console? The console dosent Show any location? Its not against you, but the only way to proof is to be in spectate, !hist or even check the kills at the console say or proof nothing, you are New, so thats why i tell it to you, how you need to go through this . Like i said i could see the list of who he killed and i was 1 of the 1st in that line and 1 of the last in that line and those names you can see in console using shift + ~ you can read back the console log at that moment. And i said before !hist showed 6 kills In the console i read who had been killed at that streak without him dying i was 1 of the 1st and 1 of the last all at same spot case I always check on screen who gets killed in front of me and behind me so i know if an enemy is there. NEW not really maybe to OTaC yes but i have had my share as being an admin for years (like my own clans and for 2 years on the 10th mtn) And i as said we where online on TS and we all agreed on this, im the 1 that carried it out lucky for Faces, as i said before the other admins had much longer times in mind (i fi recall it right i think Angus was good for a 24 hour kick and Divide30541 was up for a week) I said I was going to drop it, but your last little bit there is just ridiculous. Kicked for 24 hours? A week? With no proof? That is absolutely an overreaction. Even if I had been camping, which again I was not, those amounts of time are ridiculous for someone who has never been kicked before. Talk about letting your power go to your head. |
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 JmanSergeant I Posts: 42 |
# Answer: 49 - 2022-04-27 at 1:29 PM
Was he spectated, or was a judgement to kick him just made? Did one of the admins playing in game actually get out of game and watch him? |
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| 1000 Faces Thread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 50 - 2022-04-27 at 2:36 PM
2022-04-27 at 1:29 PM - Jman: Was he spectated, or was a judgement to kick him just made? Did one of the admins playing in game actually get out of game and watch him? They never spec'd me. All Rampant did was a HIST lookup. Which is meaningless since it doesn't show movement. Even his recall of the HIST is incorrect as he states I had 6 kills in a row without dying. I, in fact had a death at the beginning of the map coming out of the spawn, then got 2 kills, then died again, then had 4 kills, then was kicked. At that time I had 6 total kills, and 2 deaths. I was angry that he kicked me and wrote down my movement and kills as soon as he did so that I would remember them as I planned on bringing it to the attention of everyone here. May seem silly, but it is a CYA habit I have had since some work drama between 2 contracting companies at work back in the late 1990's. He keeps insisting I was on a rock the entire time at the end of the upper trail the entire time, which is not the case. Earlier in the thread I posted my movement and kills after BitterSpock posted his thoughts on maps being divided up into pizza slices, and how he sees movement between them. Last edit by 1000 Faces at 2022-04-27 at 2:44 PM (1x Edited) |
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| Mr.MTip Lieutenant General III Posts: 305 |
# Answer: 51 - 2022-04-27 at 2:55 PM
As much as I can appreciate that squeaky wheels get the grease Im confused as to what exactly it is you're after in continuing to complain about this. You took a 3 hour kick. You're not banned. Admins active in game and TS at the time all agreed on the kick. To be honest, it probably stems from your actions in prior maps which no one addressed here as of yet. You're being a baby. Shut up about it and enjoy your time in game. At this point I don't care what about your case you're trying to state or that what point you're trying to make is even relevant. You were kicked not banned. Boo hoo. Onwards and upwards fella. Let it go. I would invite you to join the clan if you're really dead set on enacting some changes around here but I can say with a mountain of certainty most answers to that application would be No. |
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| 1000 Faces Thread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 52 - 2022-04-27 at 3:02 PM
2022-04-27 at 2:55 PM - Mr.MTip: As much as I can appreciate that squeaky wheels get the grease Im confused as to what exactly it is you're after in continuing to complain about this. You took a 3 hour kick. You're not banned. Admins active in game and TS at the time all agreed on the kick. To be honest, it probably stems from your actions in prior maps which no one addressed here as of yet. You're being a baby. Shut up about it and enjoy your time in game. At this point I don't care what about your case you're trying to state or that what point you're trying to make is even relevant. You were kicked not banned. Boo hoo. Onwards and upwards fella. Let it go. I would invite you to join the clan if you're really dead set on enacting some changes around here but I can say with a mountain of certainty most answers to that application would be No. At this point I am just responding to questions. Jman asked a question, I answered. I have zero interest in joining the clan. I'm a casual gamer and don't play that often these days. Did the whole clan thing in the past, but I just don't play that often anymore. I don't have an issue with anyone in the clan, they are good people, for the most part and the server is fun. I just have a problem with being kicked for something I did not do by someone who is misrepresenting what happened. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2864 |
# Answer: 53 - 2022-04-29 at 4:47 PM
Solution: 1000 Faces - on maps like cliffside please record a demo while you play. If you get booted unfairly, the demo will be what I want to see to prove/disprove your claim. All other admin: Do not kick 1000 faces for camping unless you record a demo of the entire violation just like you would a player who gets banned. Recording should spec them directly and show 6 kills in same location, or 3:01 minutes in same location including the kick. If you are unwilling to do that, then just ignore him. Whoever is in the wrong will apologize to the other side. Absent a demo, 1000 faces don't complain Absent a demo, admin don't kick 1000 faces Kick without demo becomes OTmC for a "time out" period.... Complaint without demo becomes a player "time out" for whatever that same period is... OMG ..... drama..... Last edit by BitterSpock at 2022-04-29 at 4:49 PM (2x Edited) |
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| Nair0lF Master of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 54 - 2022-04-30 at 12:43 AM
Amazing Solution ,thumbs up |
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| King of Pain Gunnery Sergeant I  Posts: 76 |
# Answer: 55 - 2022-04-30 at 9:10 PM
What are we back in High school!!!  
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| Rampant Major I Posts: 196 |
# Answer: 56 - 2022-05-01 at 2:18 AM
2022-04-29 at 4:47 PM - BitterSpock: Solution: All other admin: Do not kick 1000 faces for camping unless you record a demo of the entire violation just like you would a player who gets banned. Recording should spec them directly and show 6 kills in same location, or 3:01 minutes in same location including the kick. If you are unwilling to do that, then just ignore him. What? has this guy golden eggs? The kick might have been to long in the eyes of some for others it wasn't long enough i do know that 1 of the 1st responses on the server was "finally". This guy is keeping this item longer alive than the kick itself. Hes going to have special treatment because hes a pro complainer on the server and now even here on the forum, its paying off for this guy whos next ...... Hes probably now got his kitchen timer egg next to his keyboard and next to that his abacus so he will camp only within the rules if hes not miscounting. The admin online wont be able to kick him for camping as a miscount only happens once in a while and public starts complaining about him or not even anymore as they are used by it that this guy camps and draws the attention to others but him by his own complaining. This will cause public to leave the server and this guy gets away with it. What do we do with the next that complains about his kick? Is hes going to be added the special treatment group as well? Next is that we cannot kick any violators without having a demo. So the admins cannot admin 1000 faces on the server while playing, only in spectator mode you can admin him as he will complain about it and you don't have a demo to proof it. The trust in the public is bigger than the trust in the admins. If this is going to be the solution, i will not be on the server and play elsewhere while this guy is playing and let him do as he pleases. |
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| Nair0lF Master of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 57 - 2022-05-01 at 3:15 AM
When Admins think they can do what they want and the suspect Player comes to the Forum and report this unfair game and treatment to him, is the trust to Admins hard to maintain any longer, like i said before, its not only you, who tell you to do this , are wrong too and not following the Admins Guideline and like i said, its not a big Deal if someone is 3 kills in 5 min or 6 kills in 5 min if get killed after it, like someone say this phrase everytime, we do not wich hunt to find something. And its not only for 1000 Faces, to Admin we normaly should always be in spectate for this case, while be in game ,you can not check the camping violation. Last edit by Nair0lF at 2022-05-01 at 3:19 AM (1x Edited) |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2864 |
# Answer: 58 - 2022-05-01 at 12:35 PM
King of pain ..... I hear ya ...... Exactly..... Rampant, This statement: "The trust in the public is bigger than the trust in the admins." That statement is true or false based on what specific Player I am comparing to what specific admin. Not kidding. But when I am not sure, what I do trust is empirical data.... What I could do but don't look forward to is to look at the game logs for the incident in question, and see if Rampant was dead on same team as 1000 faces or was "not playing on his team (so he could be spectating a following protocol), and I could see if 1000 faces was alive for 3:01 minutes and/or 6+ kills at the time of kick to see if he was eligible for a camp kick at the time of kick. None of that prove that Rampant was spectating, or that 1000 faces was camping if the data aligns , but the data can show that one or both of you is not telling the truth if the circumstances in the data make it impossible. I would rather give both of you (1000 faces and Rampant) the opportunity to be in the right going forward, rather than knowing the truth about the past. That is action that provides me with the least amount of time spent and drama endured. Last edit by BitterSpock at 2022-05-01 at 12:36 PM (1x Edited) |
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