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 Omega LineCorporal Posts: 24 |
# Thread - 2019-01-10 at 1:34 PM
My name: Omega Line Conspicuous player: [OTaC]-f3ba- Time of incident: 15.00 UTC on 23th November 2018 Incident description: Dear Mr Chief Admin, I am Omega Line, an almost 52 years old player and I am writing to inform you about an abuse that I received from a member of your Clan while playing at COD WaW. First I will proceed with the exposure of the facts that happened on the early afternoon of the 23th of November 2018. The event happened around about 15.00 GMT. If I remember well all started during the match on Upheaval map. Well normally my score is not so high. My media is about 10 kill per match even if during last time thanks to some suggestions of other players and the many hours spent on you server I am increasing the kill ratio. For this reason it happens that players that used to kill me in the past very easily and that I was never able to kill, now receive my hits often. This is what happened during the above-mentioned match with a member of your clan. His name is [OTaC]-f3ba-. I was able to kill him about 7 or 8 times during that match. When I killed him for the fourth or fifth time consecutively, he wrote me to move and not to camper. Now, as also other admins and players know about me is that I strictly follow the rules of the server and especially for the campering rules I have a timer in front of my screen on my desk to be sure to never exceed the 3 minutes. Regarding that match because I was unable to count how many times I was able to kill from the same position, I used to move after every two kills and no more from a position to another just to be sure to not make 5 kills in the same position. Because I did not want to argue and start a discussion with some potential admin (I did not know if [OTaC]-f3ba- was or not an admin) I just replied to his words as follows: <<Moving>> and that is what I did and I was indeed already doing. I continued to kill him. I think partially due to luck but more due to that he was angry and so making many tactical mistakes meanwhile I was able to maintain a sufficient self-control to continue to make a good score. At the end of the match after the publication of the result of the game, I was kicked out without any message. So after starting the new match that if I remember well was Airfield, I asked reasons for the received kick. At that moment the player [OTaC]-f3ba- replied to me that he kicked me because I had broken the campering rules. In a polite and calm way I replied that it was not true because the “3 or 5” rule was completely followed. I also underlined that even if it was true but I underlined again that it was not true, I received just a probable warning ( he just told me to move and not camper but no formal warning I received as it happens in the server ). I know that usually people receive at least 3 warnings and sometimes I saw also 5 ones. Moreover I told him that I thought that the true reason was most probably the high number of kills received by me that never happened until that moment and that my hypothesis was proved from the fact that I was kicked after reading the result of the match and so probably after he saw how many times I killed him. Your admin member so replied that I was writing too much and that I was a troll. So I stopped to write complaining last time as that was an abuse on my freedom to expose my point of view ( action that I always made with the maximum respect avoiding any rude word ). After that I continued to play without saying anything else except highlighting bad behaviour from some players that were running. Indeed my mind was upset due to the lack of respect of the basic rules of politeness that I received from him. In the following map that if I remember well was Cliffside, there was another member of the Clan that now I cannot remember which his nick was. A voice that I was not able to identify with a player said in English something to me but because I am not a native English speaker I did not understand very well and I kindly asked, writing a message, to type the message directed to me to be sure to understand it correctly. Well once again the voice told me something about the trolling and I wrote asking if the writing and requesting to write was defined a trolling action just because a non-native English speaker requests a written message because not able to understand the voices. I received once again a voice reply that laughing said that telling me troll was just a joke and so no problem. At least this is what I think I have understood. Unfortunately that was not a joke because after I wrote “Runner” to indicate a player that was not respecting the rules of the server, I received a message of kicking for trolling. Therefore I re-joined the game asking what about and just hearing some laughing voices, I was kicked again for trolling. To say that I was completely upset is very reductive. I always acted with the maximum of respect for everybody in the server, never using bad words, never having rude ways versus anyone and all the time being proactive to highlight unfair people. At 18.00 GMT finally the troll block was removed and I could play normally saying hello to the friends, saying “ns” to the people that did it to me and so on. The two players from the Clan were not present in the server. It seemed that everything was finally ok and even if I was still very upset for the bad behaviour I received, at least now the atmosphere was relaxed and friendly and it was a true pleasure to play in the server. On the 24th of November 2018 around about 15.00 GMT I realized that the troll block was active. Since I started to play that day the only words I used were to greet friends, to highlight to all the runners and into the team to indicate last positions of enemy. So no discussions no problems with anybody but once again it was denied to me to write to communicate with others. This frustrating situation without any reason caused me a deep bad mood. Dear Sir, I have just few and simple questions for you: The International Bill of Human Rights at the article 19 says: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Is The International Bill of Human Rights hopefully valid for the Clan? Do you agree that the behaviour I received was anyway exceeding the “RATIONALE” of Rule number 7 ? Do you agree that I received a behaviour that could be easily defined mobbing or bullyism considering that an admin used his means to find a sort of a revenge towards who most probably he considered not to be at his level? Dear Sir, I am writing to you to report all the above exposed facts because what happened was very ugly for all those people that believe in democracy, in politeness and in a fair play life style. I am sure that when you created this Clan, you were inspired from the rules of democracy, respect and fair play. So what I kindly ask you if you could consider some reflections and actions as it follows:: 1) A more incisive action to avoid this ugly events in the future; 2) To remind to all your collaborators that if they have some “powers” it means that they have some responsibilities. It is definitely not acceptable that admin could use his tools to eliminate his personal frustration; 3) It would be very nice to avoid applying double standards according personal situation. That is not democratic, not polite and not fair play; 4) Be always patient towards who is not a Native English speakers. He/she is not a stupid person and anyway he/she deserves the same respect of all the rest of people. Moreover who is a non Native English speaker maybe at least is able to know very well another languages and English language represents his/her 2nd or 3rd or 4th language; 5) Last but not least I would kindly request to remove any block activated towards me. I am all the time available to demonstrate my correctness without any problem. I look forward to hearing from you for the resolution of this matter as requested. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any question. Yours faithfully, Omega Line PS 1: Yesterday 09th January 2019 on the afternoon once again [OTaC]-f3ba- demonstrated that he is prevented towards me. It was enough that a player that was killed by a my betty said that I was campering ( and it was not true ) that I received immediately a formal warning. I underlined that it was not true and that I use a timer to avoid to unrespect the timing rule for camping. [OTaC]-f3ba- replied that it was just a warning so no problem. This event demonstrates that he does not understand that before to take any action, even if a warning, the fact has to be verified first of all! This event put me in a bad mood and I stopped again to play. I would really to not live again this such of situation, please. PS 2: I was able to make this report only now because I had a lot of problem to reset my password on the previous forum server. Even if I wrote an email to the admin of the forum on the 28th of November 2018 I did not have any chance to login and make a report until now. |
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 BitterSpockMaster of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2858 |
# Answer: 1 - 2019-01-10 at 3:24 PM
Thank you for your post OmegaLine, I will investigate and present my findings. Please be patient. TY. |
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 Davide30541Commander  Location: OXFORD Posts: 891 |
# Answer: 2 - 2019-01-10 at 3:39 PM
we had issues with the old server, this new one seems to work, sorry about that. Camping rules is only to be enforced (as in kick the camper) if the player breaking the rule was SPECTATED while breaking the rule, then he receives a kick without warning. (i disagree with this approach but i understand it.we don't have six minutes to spend spectating someone. 3 minutes to warning him once, 3 more to kick.) If you were killing the admin that kicked you he was not spectating. I do not know if someone else was spectating. Regardless what you describe should not happen. Enforce that rules only with proof means you in spectate and watch, can't assume some one camps when he kills you many many times. David you and me same pace 
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2858 |
# Answer: 3 - 2019-01-11 at 4:53 AM
OmegaLine, I looked back through the history, and I see 3 incidents involving you and f3ba... #1: F3ba kicks you for camping..... ++RECYCLE TIME = 18, SPAWNKILL=0 GUID: 412283582 HISTORY: killer=.+.+++++++++ rate=...1.3.1.32......... The +++++++++ is a killstreak of 9 kills without dying..... the 3.1.32 is the kills per minute and that says your 9 kills were achieved in a span of 6 minutes From that data it feels like you could be camping, the dialogue below seems to indicate the same and f3ba seemed to respond reasonably. including putting up the rules for you. say;1710476679;15;[OTaC]-f3ba-;!kc omeg ID(omeg): slot=(12), player=(OmegaLine1), guid=(412283582), exact=(0) ++++++RCON SAY: (rcon say '^2Player ^5OmegaLine1^2 is being KICKED. Reason: ^1CAMPING VIOLATON' > /dev/null) ++++++RCON SAY: (rcon say '^3OmegaLine1^2 joined the server' > /dev/null) say;412283582;12;OmegaLine1;sorry for that but I thought I could maintain the area say;412283582;12;OmegaLine1;I thought vcamping is when no moving say;1710476679;15;[OTaC]-f3ba-;that ok, just watch your kill count say;412283582;12;OmegaLine1;yes but just please explay to me: if I stay in anarea is camping or not? is camping when you don't move never or is ok to mantain an area? say;412283582;12;OmegaLine1;thx say;412283582;12;OmegaLine1;please could you say again I did not hear you say;412283582;12;OmegaLine1;si sono italiano say;1710476679;15;[OTaC]-f3ba-;!r6 say;1710476679;15;[OTaC]-f3ba-;!r7 say;1710476679;15;[OTaC]-f3ba-;!r6 #2 F3ba kicks you for camping (upheaval - this is the incident you mention) ++RECYCLE TIME = 26, SPAWNKILL=0 GUID: 1710476679 HISTORY: killer=.+.++.+..+.++++++.++++++.++..+++++++++.+....+++.++..+.+.+K..+......++ rate=.3111662441..32.41.11 ++RECYCLE TIME = 31, SPAWNKILL=0 GUID: 412283582 HISTORY: killer=+..+++++++..+.+++++...++ rate=.1.112.3.1.2111...1.1 say;1710476679;20;[OTaC]-f3ba-;!kc omega ID(omega): slot=(0), player=(OmegaLine1), guid=(412283582), exact=(0) ++++++RCON SAY: (rcon say '^2Player ^5OmegaLine1^2 is being KICKED. Reason: ^1CAMPING VIOLATON' > /dev/null) This one is harder to gauge..... I see +..+++++++..+.+++++...++ for you Omega so you had only 2 killstreaks one was 7 kills early in the game and one of 5 kills...... looking at the times I see the rate of 2111 that is 4 minutes for 5 kills, so if you were not moving then you may have violated the 3 minute rule, certainly not the 5 kill rule. In the first killstreak of 7 you had 112.3 so that was in a span of 5 minutes, so if not moving that could be a violation on kills or time. I have no way to know if you were moving or not. So in conclusive. What I do see is this F3ba=GUID 1710476679: killer=.+.++.+..+.++++++.++++++.++..++++ +++++.+....+++.++..+.+.+K..+......++ rate=.3111662441..32.41.11 So I am confident that there exists no span of time in F3ba's gameplay as evidenced by his kills per minute (rate), for him to follow that admin protocol required to kick someone for camping, he was still playing the game. So I can't conclude whether or not you deserved to be kicked for camping, but I can conclude that protocol was not followed I will discuss this with f3ba and make sure that he follows protocol ++++++RCON SAY: (rcon say '^3OmegaLine1 ^2 joined the server' > /dev/null) +++ADJACENT GUID: 1710476679 = (41) +++ADJACENT GUID DELETE: 412283582 guid: 1710476679 kills: 041 deaths: 029 diff: 012 streak: 009 headshots: 004 epoch: 01542987530 rank: 01 map: mp_suburban aliases: [OTaC]-f3ba- guid: 0412283582 kills: 016 deaths: 008 diff: 008 streak: 007 headshots: 004 epoch: 01542987530 rank: 12 map: mp_suburban aliases: OmegaLine1 say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;you kicked me just because 1 time on thousand I was better then you. say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;i was moving all the time say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;never exceed the 3 minutes or 5 kills say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;this is just weird say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;and unfair say;1710476679;20;[OTaC]-f3ba-;no, you werent. you set up shop in a place thats enclosed, and go from window to window. i've watched you say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;last but not least everyone here know me as a polite man and a fair player say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;so please if it could happen that I kill you once again just take it. some times brown thing happens say;1710476679;20;[OTaC]-f3ba-;move around more, no issue, but sitting inone place and going from window to window and running out of ammo is camping ++++++RCON SAY: (rcon say '^3[OTaC]-f3ba-^2 has announced ^3out of ammo' > /dev/null) say;1710476679;20;[OTaC]-f3ba-;i spec you say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;no is not camping if I respect 5 or 3 rules say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;according what is reported on your server ++RECYCLE TIME = 55, SPAWNKILL=0 GUID: 1710476679 HISTORY: killer=.+ rate=...1................ say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;moreover even if it could be a camping and it was not, why you just told me 1 and then kicked at the end of the game? when you told me I moved anyway to avoid problems say;1710476679;20;[OTaC]-f3ba-;omega, you were warned. say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;me I moved anyway to avoid problems say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;yes just one and I was moving ! say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;you kicked me at the end of the game just because furious that 1 in the life I was better than you say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;normaly you give 3 warning for me was enough 1. and anyway kicked not durinig the game but at the end say;1710476679;20;[OTaC]-f3ba-;I kicked you. Now you know I AM WATCHING you. I didnt ban you. I kicked you. Let it go and play or I WILL BAN you. say;412283582;0;OmegaLine1;ok you have last word of course. let's play Omega, I see above that you typed a TON of text in game ...... please do NOTdo this, especially don't argue with the admin, things escalate, and it annoys everyone. Come to the forums. Too much text in game is considered TROLLING.... even if you are right or feel slighted unfairly. I can see you are getting under f3ba's skin as evidence by the red ban threat above.... #3 Feba recently warns you for camping..... ++RECYCLE TIME = 49, SPAWNKILL=0 GUID: 412283582 HISTORY: killer=....+.D..+++.++ rate=....1...1....11...2. ++RECYCLE TIME = 26, SPAWNKILL=0 GUID: 1710476679 HISTORY: killer=+.++...+..++++++ rate=.............111124. say;1710476679;6;[OTaC]-f3ba-;!wc oemg say;1710476679;6;[OTaC]-f3ba-;!wc omeg ID(omeg): slot=(10), player=(OmegaLine1), guid=(412283582), exact=(0) ++++++RCON SAY: (rcon say '^1ATTENTION^3(1)^1 ^5OmegaLine1 ^3Camping ^2allowed ^3for 3 min or 5 kills, whichever comes first' > /dev/null) OmegaLine please NOTE that OTaC no longer has such a thing as a WARNING for CAMPING ... we have ATTENTION ... and state the rule. !wc playername no longer warns, it alerts the player to remind them of the camping rule as a friendly nudge to maybe get you moving so the admin does not have to spectate you .... It is not a Ban It is not a Kick It is not a Warning It is a convenience for the admin to hint at players .... "Hey I really wish you would move around a bit more so you are off my radar" You don't have to be in violation to get one of these alerts. say;412283582;10;OmegaLine1;YANTO i AM FOLLOWING THE RULES AND DO NOT BOTHER JUST BECAUSE YOU JUMPED ON MY BETTY LOL say;1710476679;6;[OTaC]-f3ba-;gg say;1710476679;6;[OTaC]-f3ba-;bb guid: 1710476679 kills: 012 deaths: 007 diff: 005 streak: 008 headshots: 002 epoch: 01547056319 rank: 08 map: mp_outskirts aliases: [OTaC]-f3ba- guid: 0412283582 kills: 007 deaths: 009 diff: -2 streak: 003 headshots: 001 epoch: 01547056319 rank: 18 map: mp_outskirts aliases: OmegaLine1 say;412283582;10;OmegaLine1;@ALL JUST FOR YOUR INFO I have a timer on 2 minutes and 50 secs set up . so for sure I respect the camp rules !!!! say;1710476679;6;[OTaC]-f3ba-;np omega say;1710476679;6;[OTaC]-f3ba-;it was just a warning say;1710476679;6;[OTaC]-f3ba-;not a kick say;412283582;10;OmegaLine1;yes I know but I strictly follow rules. legi istra told me how to do it say;1710476679;6;[OTaC]-f3ba-;like i said, no problem say;412283582;10;OmegaLine1;ok |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2858 |
# Answer: 4 - 2019-01-11 at 5:05 AM
SUMMARY Other than the not following protocol in 1 of 3 incidents, I see f3ba responding fairly reasonably. I will take the action to discuss protocol with f3ba. OmegaLine - We are happy that you are a regular on our server, and we want you to enjoy your time on the server. Similarly we want our members and admin and other regulars to enjoy their time on the server. As such I know you have "timer set to 2 minutes and 50 seconds", and while that helps you follow the "letter of the camping rule", it certainly will cause a lot of work for admin. When you camp habitually (not saying beyond limits, just as a style of play) then you cause the side effect of admin having to get out of game to babysit you to see if you are violating the rule. It is actually more frustrating to babysit a camper for 2minutes and 50 seconds and then have them die or move and then camp again..... then the admin never gets to play. THAT IS UNFAIR TO THE ADMIN. It also annoys other players. So please do me a favor: set your timer to 2 minutes, and then move after 2 minutes not 3, then there is no doubt in anyone's mind. So you might say .... well BitterSpock that is not what the rules say..... Well I would like you to do this voluntarily (and I have asked this of other regulars with similar issues). Or I can point you to our rules page: http://outtact.net/index.php?mod=static&action=view&id=4 where it states at the very top: Senior admins reserve the right to protect the server by addressing player behavior that falls within rules but is disruptive to the server. So I BitterSpock am asking you to please move after 2 minutes. I am also asking you to not type so much text in game. Thank you for your post, lets all try to do a better job (players and admin) going forward! Regards, BitterSpock Last edit by BitterSpock at 2019-01-11 at 5:07 AM (1x Edited) |
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| Omega Line Thread author Corporal Posts: 24 |
# Answer: 5 - 2019-01-11 at 12:44 PM
Dear BitterSpock, First of all thank you for your investigation that you made in so such few time. I really appreciated that. Even if all what I said cannot be supported by datas, I am happy that you could see that something “strange” happened to me with [OTaC]-f3ba-. What really I am interested is that similar events will not happen again. For this reason I am happy to agree to your recommendations and requests in a full spirit of collaboration and friendship. I think that everyone could make mistakes because its into the human nature. For sure what it is important to me is to let know all that if I could make a mistake it would be done just for ignorance of some mechanisms and not because I want to take an advantage from the situation. I am also in the life out of internet a reliable person also due to my particular job and never anyone had doubt concerning my conduct. If I make a mistake, first of all I ask to forgive me being sure that my intent will be to prevent similar events again. In deed it would be nice if someone as you did , could give me suggestions to avoid any problem, explaining something that for sure was not clear until that moment. I will stay in a position for no more two minutes and moving from the new position to another one or coming back to the previous one after two minutes spent in the last position. For istance if my timer indicates 17.51, I will stay in a place until I will see 17.53 is started. Then I will move so that for sure the time will be no more than 120 seconds. And so on. Is it ok for you in this way? I am not a “hunter” but a “camper” I know that but hopefully in this way I should find a good balance avoiding any stress for who would like to spec me. Concerning the typing, since now I will not argue with anyone but at least I would report on time if I am under some kind of unfair behaviour from anyone to the admin present in the game. If no action to solve the eventual bad situation, I will not continue to write on the server but just reporting the event on the server. As I told you I like to do not create any problem, to live in peace and to be as much as more possible friendly with everyone. Dear BitterSpock before to conclude this my email I would appreciate if you could remove from my mind some doubts concerning the concept of camping to avoid any kind of problem in the future. Well about kill ratio and timing no doubt. I will act as I said before if you think it would be a good idea take the time as I reported in my example. Where I have doubts is in these two main factors: 1) camping surface/area; 2) how to avoid to be not considered in camper modality meanwhile slightly moving and killing opponents. Well concerning the surface/area that is considered camping I have some doubts. I know that if I am in a room wide enough, for instance 4 meters x 6 meters and I stay there for more the approved time, this is camping. My question is : due to the fact that an area as described is for sure not a narrow point ( it would easier to say that some one is camping if he stays in the same point for the exceeding time ) but large enough, how can be proved that if the camper moves to the next area, calculating same dimensions ( for instance another room that is attached to the previous one ) is not camping? ROOM “A” 1 2 3 4 5 ROOM “B” 6 7 8 9 10 Please consider two attached rectangles Room A with numbers from 1 to 5 and Room B with numbers from 6 to 10. In the above figure you have two rooms. Numbers represent the position of a camping player. I think that the situation that could occur are the following ones: a) player stays in one of those positions, b) player moves slightly from point 1 to point 10 employing more than 2 minutes due to: i) player under fire, ii) player facing several attacks from opponents Now in case a) if a player respects the same distance from Room “A” points with the ones of Room “B” no problem ( ieg 1 goes to 6, 2 goes to 7 and so on ). In case b) i) the situation is more complicated because if you were going to move but you are under fire, player has two choices: 1) to die immediately to avoid to be accused of camping but this is not fair, 2) to try to survive moving or being freezed waiting the occasion to kill or to avoid anyway to be killed by the opponent. In this case I would think that it is not camping because in real nobody would move if under fire and he would run if just in open space and so trying to recover himself ASAP. In case b) ii) the situation is slightly different. We have a player that would move to respect the camping rule but he is under different wave attacks. He knows that if he would move with normal crouch speed, most probably he would be killed for sure . So to survive he makes small movements and if lucky he is able to survive killing all the opponents. In this case what will happen is that he could exceed the kill ratio being in the same space ( Room A in the example ) even if moving from point 1 to 5 to reach point 6 to avoid to be considered a rule breaker. How could you consider in this case the player? For sure you as well as me lived this situation and I had all the time the doubt how I could be judged. I would avoid to have that kind of stress, so please if you could give me a solution I would really appreciate. Last but not least my main problem is to understand the real dimension of a space considered “ camper space”. Let me give you a real example that I lived in the game and that I think sometimes you saw me in that situation. In map “Castle” I use to camper being on a a wooden barrel where I can be almost hidden and killing who is in the turret of the castle. What I use to do before time limit is to move into the gallery that is almost in front of the barrel, facing there trying to kill from that position for a minute or a little bit more and then coming back to my be loved barrel. I think that these two positions are far enough to be considered to different points of the map and of course two different “camper areas”. Please, could you confirm that? Moreover: may I consider the same distance valid as different “camper area” in other maps? Dear BitterSpock for sure I will follow all the recommendation you made me and all suggestions that you will give me in the future. I really appreciated how you managed my case. You demonstrated to be very polite, correct and proactive to fix any problem. I love people acting like you and if possible if you agree I would have you as my Mentor to have the support in case I should make mistakes or simply giving me the possibility to grow up as player. I still did not request to join the OTaC Clan because I read that the clan is looking to recruit people with a good skill. At the moment I don’t think to have these prerequisites because sometimes ( when I play almost every day for several hrs ) I am able to make also 20 kills and being killed no more than 10, but my average skill now is almost 13/14 with almost the same number of deaths. Last but not least it would be a true pleasure for me if we could be friends. I am looking for people that like to have fun but are also very correct as you are. Well concluding this my long email (sorry for that) I would to thank you for all what you have done and hopefully for the next suggestions that you will provide me. Best regards, Omega Line |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2858 |
# Answer: 6 - 2019-01-11 at 1:22 PM
Oh my god, OmegaLine, there exists someone who is more loquacious than me.... Your questions are too detailed and the question of how far to move is very subjective and and is not possible for all admin to have the view of what is sufficient. For example moving 50ft on Courtyard is a lot, but moving 50 ft on Seelow is nothing at all. Instead of trying to find a distance or define dimensions think of where spawn points are..... If you occupy a space, as your teammates die, perhaps they are spawning around you. They push on and die, and respawn near you over and over again. That sensation of "continually respawning in the same place" is caused by "spawn anchoring". So if you spawn.... please move out of your spawn before you start camping. How far? Well far enough that your teammates don't spawn in the same spot because of you. Now if you have camped in an area and you die, go to a new area, try not to return to the same area. Make it a goal to keep pushing around the map so you always respawn and your team always respawns in a new place when you die. The spawns should change a few times each game, otherwise people get annoyed. If you camp in one spot, and shoot a few people, then you die, if you return to the same spot and shoot a few more people, you may be adhering to the letter of the camping rule, but the player that you shoot may respawn not knowing you died, and if you kill them again from the same spot it looks like you are just over camping in that area, tempers flare, and things escalate. But if you make sure that when you move you always go to a new spot (that has a different spawn point near it) then nobody will complain, because people will notice you having moved. So think of every small map as giant 4-slice pizza, and every big map as a 6-8 slice pizza. You should not camp on a slice twice until you have visited every slice. Our guidelines do not express it this way, but I can assure you if you treat it that way no admin will bother you for camping. Most players push around the map and visit all areas. You should do the same, but if you want to camp then move to a new slice when you are done and don't go back and forth between slices. On upheaval for example, every building you can enter is its own slice, so going back and for between rooms in any of the buildings I might consider as "not moving far enough" So camp in a building once and move to the next building. Maps like Seelow or Breach , I would give different guidance, like when you spawn on one side of the map, cross the middle and go to the other side. I hope that helps ........ just think pizza slices. Also if given the choice of camping past the limit and pushing forward to your death........ you ask what you should do. You have smoke, nades, flares, bazookas, etc..... If you are under fire you can run to get out of your spot to next cover. But you must move. If you die, that is most preferable. Because when you kill a player that is joy given to you. When you push on and die, that is joy that you give to others, and it brings happiness to all, especially me. When players die often , admin don't kick them for camping. When that doesn't happen, wrongful kicks don't happen, and these long posts requiring hours of my time to gather game log forensics and respond does not happen, and I can instead spend time enjoying my life and that makes me happy. So push on and die and make ME happy .... Last edit by BitterSpock at 2019-01-11 at 1:32 PM (2x Edited) |
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# Answer: 7 - 2019-01-12 at 12:40 AM
Thank you very much BitterSpock! I will follow your suggestions! Last but not least sorry for my long speach. My intention was not to bother you but just to understand better rules and especially having some suggestions for the game. I wish you all the best and see you soon on the server ! Best regards, Omega Line |
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