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 imProteusCorporal I Posts: 25 |
# Thread - 2019-02-20 at 5:21 PM
Apparently some admins still need to learn this. They warn me when I'm following the rules and then when I explain it to them, they say "don't argue with admins", so I'll take it to the forums where it's permanent. On this particular occasion, ValveNut warned me; Voodoo was also in the server. When it comes to warning me for using pistol outside: If I have to change to a BOLT ACTION rifle because of my kill count, I am allowed to use my pistol UNTIL I either come across a bolt action on the ground OR die. It is the same as the regular OOA rule, with the difference being I can't just pick any old weapon up to use, I have to use a bolt action. 2018-11-26 at 9:46 PM - BitterSpock: So if you are above 30 kills and you type ooa and you run across a mp40, you keep using your pistol since you need to find a bolt or shotgun. If under 30 you pick up the mp40. Pulled from this thread concerning the OOA/Pistol Walking topic. ________________________________ ________________________________ When it comes to me shooting from the back porch on Hangar, to the inside of the building, here is what is written on the forum: Using the term "roof" is intended to indicate the bullet should never pass out from under the roof before it strikes its target. Consider this as a good general guideline: A pistol bullet must never see the sun. This being said, the interior of a structure with roof damage that exposes the sky is still considered to be indoors. You can find this written under the Rules section of the forum. Here is my Plays.tv recording of this related incident where they say I was shooting outdoors. Notice I was just outside the doorway of the building, yet still completely underneath the permanent awning (or whatever that overhang is called). I hope this explains some things for any players and/or admins who may have needed some more clarity on these topics. Thanks. |
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 BitterSpockMaster of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 1 - 2019-02-20 at 6:11 PM
Hello imProteus, thank you for seeking clarification in the forums. This is the exact right place to express your issues and seek resolution. So I see this..... "Apparently some admins still need to learn this. " That is not the tone I would start with, but in any case, I think your intention was to cite documented facts and present them as evidence to support your position that you were in compliance and it was the admin that have made an error. So let's look what you wrote: When it comes to warning me for using pistol outside: If I have to change to a BOLT ACTION rifle because of my kill count, I am allowed to use my pistol UNTIL I either come across a bolt action on the ground OR die. It is the same as the regular OOA rule, with the difference being I can't just pick any old weapon up to use, I have to use a bolt action. The section in red is specious. It is not factual at all. The forum post that quote me from was explaining that if you run out of ammo and announce OOA, so you can switch to a pistol, I was saying that if while using your pistol, you came across an mp40 if you were at a score that would get you kicked (since you need a bolt) then you may use your pistol until you find a legal gun to pick up (a bolt). But if you were under your limit, you should pick up the mp40 and use it. Your reaching your kill limit with your primary DOES NOT entitle you to switch to a pistol. You really have 4 options if you still have primary ammo, at your kill limit, and you are still alive. 1. make your way indoors with primary/perk in hand and then switch to a pistol and kill indoor targets and hope one of them has a bolt, up to camping rules limits. 2. Fire off all of the remaining rounds and all clips in your primary, announce OOA, and then switch to a pistol 3. Die and change class 4. Use knife, nades, perks to kill people (if allowed) The reason you cannot simply switch to your pistol before being out of ammo is that if that were the case then people would just type OOA at anytime they felt like using a pistol. The second issue you raise is about the definition of roof. Let's simplify my response by saying that I accept your definition of roof and I accept that you and your target were under the same roof. Here is the rule: Pistols only indoors and under the same roof as your target Now since we don't have to argue about the roof (green above) part of the rule .... yes ....see that AND, that is logical operation which means that BOTH expressions must be satisfied. You must be BOTH (indoors) AND (under same roof as target). I am using your own statement..... When it comes to me shooting from the back porch on Hangar, to the inside of the building, That building has exterior walls and it has doors and windows and openings in those exterior walls. if you are shooting a pistol through said openings to the target inside, then you are OUTSIDE, and you already said "to the inside" so that is logically equivalent to "from the outside". So clearly your interpretation of roof is accurate, but the you simply failed to remember the second part ...... indoors. Our astute admin on duty were aware of this.... but ..... Apparently some players still need to learn this. :-) Hope that helps clarify things for you.... see you in game! Enjoy! Last edit by BitterSpock at 2019-02-21 at 6:46 AM (3x Edited) |
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| FeZza Corporal I  Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 2 - 2019-02-21 at 5:28 AM
These forums need a like button 
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| Valvenut Private First Class Posts: 8 |
# Answer: 3 - 2019-02-21 at 7:31 AM
Bitter, I thank you for clarifying it in more detail. |
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| imProteus Thread author Corporal I Posts: 25 |
# Answer: 4 - 2019-02-21 at 5:21 PM
2019-02-20 at 6:11 PM - BitterSpock: Your reaching your kill limit with your primary DOES NOT entitle you to switch to a pistol. You really have 4 options if you still have primary ammo, at your kill limit, and you are still alive. 1. make your way indoors with primary/perk in hand and then switch to a pistol and kill indoor targets and hope one of them has a bolt, up to camping rules limits. 2. Fire off all of the remaining rounds and all clips in your primary, announce OOA, and then switch to a pistol 3. Die and change class 4. Use knife, nades, perks to kill people (if allowed) I'm happy this is set in stone; it's the first time I've heard it or seen it on the forums anywhere. It'd probably be a good thing to add to the official rules page. Side note: I guess I won't be using bandolier anymore... 2019-02-20 at 6:11 PM - BitterSpock: The reason you cannot simply switch to your pistol before being out of ammo is that if that were the case then people would just type OOA at anytime they felt like using a pistol. People can already do this.  2019-02-20 at 6:11 PM - BitterSpock: So clearly your interpretation of roof is accurate, but the you simply failed to remember the second part ...... indoors. Again it seems like the official rules page needs some work done to it. The purpose behind the rule listed on your website is so that people aren't sniping others from across the map with pistols. As you can see from the footage I provided, while one could argue I was outside the technical limit of the rules, one could also argue I was playing in good faith according to the logic behind the pistol rule. I was in extreme close quarters and fired under the same roof as my target. Thanks for your response. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 5 - 2019-02-22 at 6:38 AM
My list of 4 options is simply me trying to think of all the permutations there are likely more, in any case it would clutter the rules page. You said: The purpose behind the rule listed on your website is so that people aren't sniping others from across the map with pistols. As you can see from the footage I provided, while one could argue I was outside the technical limit of the rules, one could also argue I was playing in good faith according to the logic behind the pistol rule. Correct, you could argue ..... but the reason we defined the rules the way we did was to define boundaries that are enforceable. This is so there is a clear way to determine fault or compliance at a glance. We don't want to argue, but for some reason that does not stop players from wanting to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX04tAufdO8 Last edit by BitterSpock at 2019-02-22 at 6:56 AM (2x Edited) |
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| BluePhoenix Commander  Posts: 385 |
# Answer: 6 - 2019-02-22 at 1:18 PM
If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes. |
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 ANZAC351Colonel I  Location: On your six Posts: 235 |
# Answer: 7 - 2019-02-22 at 4:54 PM
My list of 4 options is simply me trying to think of all the permutations there are likely more, in any case it would clutter the rules page. You said: The purpose behind the rule listed on your website is so that people aren't sniping others from across the map with pistols. As you can see from the footage I provided, while one could argue I was outside the technical limit of the rules, one could also argue I was playing in good faith according to the logic behind the pistol rule. Correct, you could argue ..... but the reason we defined the rules the way we did was to define boundaries that are enforceable. This is so there is a clear way to determine fault or compliance at a glance. We don't want to argue, but for some reason that does not stop players from wanting to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX04tAufdO8 
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| imProteus Thread author Corporal I Posts: 25 |
# Answer: 8 - 2019-03-02 at 1:50 PM
Hey Bitter, is shooting from this position with a pistol allowed? 
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| Cpl. Punishment Master Sergeant III Posts: 109 |
# Answer: 9 - 2019-03-02 at 1:51 PM
see the roof? It's all part of the same building... Like I told you in-game.... ------------------ 
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| imProteus Thread author Corporal I Posts: 25 |
# Answer: 10 - 2019-03-02 at 8:09 PM
I'm just confused, because it's similar to the scenario I was in, where I was on the porch of a building. The porch roof is the same as the roof of the overall building, but I was told that I was still technically outside, so I just wanted clarification from the big man himself. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 11 - 2019-03-02 at 9:58 PM
If it was blizzard and you were wearing nothing but gym shorts and you were standing right there do you think you could figure out if you were indoors or not ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVQpfoqsY8Q If you are going to tell me next that a OTaC member had his pistol out there he claims it was under the same roof then yes, he is under the same roof, but no he is outside and we all need to understand the two parts of the pistol rule that must be simultaneously true. INDOORS .......... AND ........ UNDER SAME ROOF AS TARGET Okay, so we all know now .... let's play the game. Last edit by BitterSpock at 2019-03-02 at 10:10 PM (2x Edited) |
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| imProteus Thread author Corporal I Posts: 25 |
# Answer: 12 - 2019-03-03 at 12:25 AM
Thanks for the clarification! |
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| BluePhoenix Commander Posts: 385 |
# Answer: 13 - 2019-03-04 at 3:49 PM
Just curious Proteus, how did you get your colors like that, is it gamma? |
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| imProteus Thread author Corporal I Posts: 25 |
# Answer: 14 - 2019-03-04 at 8:13 PM
ReShade v4.2.0 |
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 RampantMajor Posts: 190 |
# Answer: 15 - 2019-03-06 at 1:50 PM
Looks like cheating to me all very clear nothing floating and stuff like that. Fond this on the internet so its not my opinion alone Is ReShade okay to use?
Although these programs are nice to use with the game they can be used and behave like a cheat program. We are working on cracking down on the cheating that is happening so ReShade and similar programs will not be usable. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 16 - 2019-03-06 at 9:12 PM
Well I have no way to detect it, I have no way to know what other players use it too There are other graphics enhancement tools out there, Some people have high end GFX cards and high end monitors. Some people have a ping advantage. Some people play on a CRT with 1024x768. Our policy is that if we cannot determine if a player is enhanced we limit their gameplay in some way to offset a player's dominance like a golf handicap. So don't sweat it guys. |
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| imProteus Thread author Corporal I Posts: 25 |
# Answer: 17 - 2019-03-07 at 6:51 PM
2019-03-06 at 1:50 PM - Rampant: Looks like cheating to me all very clear nothing floating and stuff like that. Fond this on the internet so its not my opinion alone Is ReShade okay to use? Although these programs are nice to use with the game they can be used and behave like a cheat program. We are working on cracking down on the cheating that is happening so ReShade and similar programs will not be usable. It's a ten year old game that looks washed out and disgusting compared to modern games and even real life. Adding some saturation to my screen is not cheating at all. By the way, the garbage devs at Bluehole, the one who's website you are copy and pasting that from, are the ONLY developer to ban reshade. No other AAA developer has banned it. |
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| Rampant Major Posts: 190 |
# Answer: 18 - 2019-03-09 at 2:07 PM
2019-03-07 at 6:51 PM - imProteus: 2019-03-06 at 1:50 PM - Rampant: It's a ten year old game that looks washed out and disgusting compared to modern games and even real life. Adding some saturation to my screen is not cheating at all. By the way, the garbage devs at Bluehole, the one who's website you are copy and pasting that from, are the ONLY developer to ban reshade. No other AAA developer has banned it. Shame you think of it that way its the best looking game they made in my opinion, the colors i see your using dont even come close real life. And playing a 10 year old game with the remark compared to modern games yeah thats a good 1 even in the new games they dont use colors like that and why compare a 10+ game with new games. In my opinion using alteration from outside the game is cheating/hacking even if an admin or cheat protection doesnt say that. And its a shame they cant detect all and ban all, wish they could (UTOPIA). Im more like play they game as it was made to be played. Anyway like i said before "in my opinion" if the admins allow it its their server there rules not mine. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 19 - 2019-03-09 at 3:19 PM
Again, what can't be detected can't be enforced, so we use other means in the form of limits and weapon restrictions to compensate for any players demonstrated dominance that may happen as a result. Closing this thread. |
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