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eli9019


Private I




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# Thread - 2022-02-03 at 2:14 PM
Hello all!

I’m not sure if this the place to put this; feel free to move it to the appropriate location if there is better place to have this discussion.

While playing today, a player make a “joke” which was, in my opinion, racist. Another player was complaining that the server had “too many rules” and the response was “as a serb, you're not smart” (something along those lines). I think we have all heard worse than this but while it is the most egregious example of racism, it is obviously inappropriate. Using the perceived nationality of another player to make derogatory remarks is problematic. The server should be inclusive to all and while the player didn’t seem to mind, I don’t think it is the type of comment we should be tolerating.

I’m not Serbian. I’m not Eastern European. I live a suburb in New Jersey (as my mid 40s ping suggests). It’s not like this is personal to me but I think it needs to be called out when it happens. There *was* an admin online at the time but no warning was issued, which is also frustrating.

Or maybe I’m just blowing this out of proportion (I made an account just for this!), that might be true too. Either way, thanks for our time!
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Nair0lF


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Location: Bad Gandersheim
Posts: 1516
# Answer: 1 - 2022-02-03 at 2:27 PM
That is not ok to say , maybe the Admin haven't read this message, but today we have recieve a very sad Information to us as Clan and the Info was that our Brother and Clan Leader Honda passed away, we are all in shock at the Moment, i belive, witch ever Admin was online, the next time it will be get notice of him and will be adressed to this player, to not say something like this again. Thank you for the report.
Regards Nair0lF


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eli9019
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# Answer: 2 - 2022-02-03 at 4:14 PM
The admin certainly saw it and when I pushed them on it, they required that I stop and just play. Understandable that they wouldn't want to keep talking about it, as it was distracting to the other players but some kind of warning would have nice.


I'm so sorry to hear about the terrible news that the Clan receive, my condolences to you and all those who knew him :(


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Voodoo


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Posts: 629
# Answer: 3 - 2022-02-04 at 10:28 AM
I don't see racism, I see a rude player that should have been warned. This "racism" tag is used far too often IMHO and criticizing someone's place of birth, or using that to try and identify them as "stupid" is most definitely rude, but escapes the rather narrow definition of being racist. Race defined is, and I quote: “a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits.” . Meaning that "white" is a race, "brown" is a race, but being a dumb Canadian isn't a race issue, it's a rude issue. There is no Canadian "race", but there are many races within Canada.
In short, he should have been called out for rude behavior!


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Cold_Sly


Private First Class II




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# Answer: 4 - 2022-02-07 at 1:05 PM
Somehow related: recently I've seen a player with the name "Oradour". Which might be a reference to the nazis massacre in the village carrying this name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-su r-Glane_massacre
Not sure if that's really related (but that name is very rare, and most known for that village), and if it's supposed to be a pro-nazi or against this massacre protest - yet it feels really weird for someone to play as a German in CoD while taking this name.


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BitterSpock


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Location: Planet Vulcan
Posts: 2864
# Answer: 5 - 2022-02-12 at 1:00 PM
Give the nature of the game as being part of the era, player names that draw attention to the era are allowed unless the naming depict clear malicious intent

For example, I would allow these:

IamHitler
GusChambers
NuremBorg
NaziYatzee
Oradour
OwShwitz
Berlin
POWKamp
Normandy

But I would not allow these:
KillTheJews
HitlerIsGod
SuperiorAryan




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[OTaC] Lt_Jackson


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# Answer: 6 - 2022-05-02 at 8:32 PM
https://www.etymonline.com/word/racism


Racism (n.)

By 1928, in common use from 1935, originally in a European context, "racial supremacy as a doctrine, the theory that human characteristics and abilities are determined by race;" see racist, and compare the various senses in race (n.2) and racialism. Applied to American social systems from late 1930s.

This meaning of Nationalism in no sense implies any consent to the doctrine of Racism, which holds that unity of racial origin is the main principle of unity for civil society and that the members of each ethnical branch should properly aim at grouping themselves together into so many national States. Although it is desirable that strongly-felt national aspirations, which often depend on community of race, should be satisfied, as far as this may be compatible with justice, Racism or the Principle of Racial Self determination, as it has been called in recent years is a materialistic illusion contrary to natural law and destructive of civilization. [James Strachey Barnes, "The Universal Aspects of Fascism," London, 1928]


https://www.etymonline.com/word/racist



Racist (n.)

1932 (as an adjective from 1938), from race (n.2) + -ist. Racism (q.v.) is in use by 1928, originally in the context of fascist theories, and common from 1936. These words replaced earlier racialism (1882) and racialist (1910), both often used early 20c. in a British or South African context. There are isolated uses of racism from c. 1900.

Returning recently from a six months' visit to Europe, the Rev. John LaFarge, noted Catholic writer, warned at a dinner given in his honor that the destructive forces of "racism" are increasing in the United States, and that they could cause irreparable harm among the American people if immediate steps are not taken to combat them.

Father LaFarge said that American racism is directed principally against Negroes, Jews, and foreigners. He described it as "the pale but venomous cousin" of Nazi racism. Like its Nazi counterpart, he added, it has erected impassable barriers between extensive regions and large groups of people, has formed its own myths and moulded its own social institutions, and above all has come consistently into conflict with Christian teachings. [Opportunity, Journal of Negro Life, vol. XVII, No. 2, Feb. 1939]

Earlier, race hatred (1852 of the Balkans, 1858 of British India, 1861 of white and black in America), race prejudice (1867 of English in India, 1869 of white and black in America, 1870 of the English toward Irish) were used, and, especially in 19c. U.S. political contexts, negrophobia. Anglo-Saxonism as "belief in the superiority of the English race" had been used (disparagingly) from 1860. Anti-Negro (adj.) is attested in British and American English from 1819.


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[OTaC] Lt_Jackson


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# Answer: 7 - 2022-05-02 at 8:34 PM
https://www.etymonline.com/word/-ism?ref=etymonline_crossreference


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Private I




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# Answer: 8 - 2022-12-16 at 4:09 PM
I've had 2 users allude to that Germany should have won WW2, that non-white foreigners are ruining their country and that everything went downhill after Germany lost WW1 for over 30 minutes today while admins were around. I'm a little disappointed about it considering the rule on politeness, and that politics is a bad word in-game.


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Bntyhntr


Corporal II





Posts: 31
# Answer: 9 - 2022-12-17 at 2:02 AM
2022-12-16 at 4:09 PM - Wtrbase:
I've had 2 users allude to that Germany should have won WW2, that non-white foreigners are ruining their country and that everything went downhill after Germany lost WW1 for over 30 minutes today while admins were around. I'm a little disappointed about it considering the rule on politeness, and that politics is a bad word in-game.


Do you recall the names of the 2 in question?


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BitterSpock


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Location: Planet Vulcan
Posts: 2864
# Answer: 10 - 2022-12-17 at 8:51 AM
If this is habitual, such people will be dealt with at some point.
If not, we all recognize there are always people with opinions, and some of those people are idiots and as such their opinions seem to track that. You can always vote kick.
If people say things to provoke outrage, and it works, they have power over you, and will likely persist.
If people say things to provoke outrage, and you ignore it, they have no power over you, and will likely stop since it is not working.

If we are lacking admin coverage, and regulars care..... join OTaC and cover that gap!




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Private I




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# Answer: 11 - 2022-12-17 at 3:33 PM
The two players in question were TonyMont99 and marc_dorcel, if I remember their names correctly. Thankfully nobody ever reacted to it besides "stop talking and play please." It wasn't said to provoke outrage or was even habitual, this was the only case I've seen players say something like this in over 650 hours on Outtact, so I don't think it is an issue. The admins always do a phenomenal job at regulating and this was not meant as a shot against the admins either. This just was the only case that stuck with me enough to say something about it


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BitterSpock


Master of Time and Space




Location: Planet Vulcan
Posts: 2864
# Answer: 12 - 2022-12-17 at 4:07 PM
I looked at the logs, they were just chatting back and forth, yes I see where they mentioned a dissatisfaction with how their home has changed due to and influx of immigrants. They didn't linger on that, they went on to talk about movies and where they lived, etc. It was a lot of text back and forth so that is certainly distracting during a game, but I feel there was nothing worthy of action other than the abundance of text on screen.


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BitterSpock


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Location: Planet Vulcan
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# Answer: 13 - 2022-12-17 at 4:15 PM
Back to the original post - in the entire game log this was the only mention I can see with the letters "serb" in them

 
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1668864310 say
;239040859;11;ImtorNBudala where u from ?
1668864364 say;239040859;11;ImtorNBigBudala where u from ?
1668864381 say;1611540490;12;RedovDokihe is from Serbia
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;239040859;11;ImtorNok see the name lol
1668864489 say
;239040859;11;ImtorNRedov and you ?
1668864498 say;1611540490;12;RedovDokisame
1668864502 say
;239040859;11;ImtorNok
1668864507 say
;1611540490;12;RedovDokiu?
1668864520 say;239040859;11;ImtorNneibhor
1668864540 say
;239040859;11;ImtorNbosna :D



These are the only mentions of "not smart"

 
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1662589942 say
;399078870;17;L0gan5I'm not very smart
1662745686 say;1335097724;7;Jo_Ser; yep spwn is not partc smart
1667207650 say;1036292720;1;[DI]HR_Roach; not the smartest player eh
1668731746 say;399078870;3;L0gan5; life is harder when you'
re not smart
1669914894 say
;399078870;9;L0gan5I'm not too smart
1670575556 say;1661939499;1;iMrViktor i am not smart



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