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 -Bash-Private I Posts: 1 |
# Thread - 2022-12-26 at 6:20 PM
Happy Holidays everyone, I make this thread because I have recently been accused of spawn camping and kicked for doing so. My defense is that I very rarely get spawn kills and can go multiple maps (even all day sometimes) without getting a single SK, which shows that I do not shoot into spawns. If I do get one, I move immediately. What I do is find choke points and camp the choke points within the allotted time limit and kill streak limit. I actually use the stop watch on my phone to ensure that I do not exceed the camping time limit. I dont always use it, but I do use it often. Which gets me killed a lot because I look at it often and reach over to stop/reset it. Which is totally fine with me. But I dont understand how I can be accused of spawn camping when I rarely get spawn kills and dont ever really know where the opposing team is spawning. All that I really know is where my own team is spawning, so I point in the opposite direction at a choke point if I can. As long as I dont get any spawn kills, dont exceed the time limit, and dont exceed the kill limit, then I should be good... right? There are times when I watch the same choke point for the entire 3 minutes and dont get a single kill before having to move on, but yet nobody ever notices that. Yet I get kicked, scolded and reprimanded for NOT getting any SKs. Most of which is in voice chat so it can not be reviewed. It seems to me that I am being accused of such a violation (again without a single SK) in order to bypass the stated rules and kick me arbitrarily because of personal frustration without even doing a HIST. Happy New Year to Everyone! Bash! Last edit by -Bash- at 2022-12-26 at 6:47 PM (1x Edited)
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 BitterSpockMaster of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 1 - 2022-12-27 at 1:28 PM
In the logs for the bot I found two events:
I cannot discern whether this is a spawn camping or camping beyond limits violation. In first case, awildturkey kicked you for camping, though killer=+++++H+.+.+++.+...++.+ . =death + = kill you had a 3 kill death streak, two kills, a death, a kill, and a kick. If those 2 kills were newly spawning players then it could be spawn camping, but there is no way camping beyond limits justified. However you started with a seven kill streak +++++H+ So *that* could have been camping beyond limits, I have no way to know. In general shrine is a map that people like to camp on. And people love to sit outside choke points rather that PUSH and risk death. But if that was camping belond limits, you should have been kicked then, not later. So it looks bogus to me, but I wasn't there. The second one in courtyard, you ended with a 4 kill streak ++++ and that was all in under 60 seconds rate= 4 at end shows that. So that is premature if it was camping beyond limits, but it could have been spawn camping. My problem with courtyard is that the map is so small that every kill is potentially a spawn kill so I tend not to enforce camping rules on that map. In any case I was not there. So here is the reality of your situation....whether it is fair or unfair. 1. We have a substantial amount of players and members that dislike campers 2. We have a substantial amount of players and members that like to camp 3. We need both types of players/members to achieve server population and keep the server alive. 4. As a compromise we have a limited camping rule to allow campers up to a point. 5. One of the problems this rule creates for the admin is that the protocol involves an admin having to watch the player for 3:01+ minutes or 6+ kills, so if you are even suspected of camping beyond limits, an admin has to take time out of his game and babysit the player in order to follow protocol. Many times they are just about to kick the player and then they get shot, or maybe they move after 5 kills and then the admin has wasted his time, or has to watch for a another 3+ minutes 6. The protocol of #5 above gets tedious after a while, so what happens is players that habitually camp are "remembered" by admin and those players are on their radar, when it looks like you are camping again sometimes they cut corners and kick you. I am not saying I agree with this or condone it, but I understand it. This is just a game, so as long as players follow the rules most of time I generally do not sweat the infrequent small infractions. Similarly, as long as the admin are doing a good job most of the time, I will not sweat the small stuff where they get it wrong sometimes. I have banned people, and the next day re-watched my own demo and unbanned them since what I thought I was seeing was not what was really happening. So yes mistakes can be made, and they can be made in good faith. In the case of camping it is usually just a kick, and you can come right back, so at most your score is affected. But you remember what you had before the kick and can add the final score numbers to that and know how you did. This is not a competitive server so it doesn't matter. It is annoying yes, but is like a small cloud blocking the sun briefly while you are at the beach. 7. Players are imperfect, admin are imperfect, everybody has their own temperament and biases especially with regard to camping enforcement. 8. If you like to camp and you don't want to get wrongly get kicked. I suggest the following: * Instead of staying in one spot for 3 minutes or 5 kills, do 2 minutes or 4 kills - and then PUSH forward. That will keep you off admin radar * In the same way admin have you on their radar, you should remember which admin are predisposed to kicking campers and move forward more when they are on. Have them on your radar. * De-escalate any differences of opinion which may occur in game Anyway you are not banned or inhibited from playing the game so all I can suggest is #8 above. I would like all admin to be aware of the limits and please follow protocol if you are not already. Unless the player has high kills and low deaths or is anchoring either team I would not seek to intervene on camping. If the player is sitting in one spot and they are shooting at multiple newly spawning players then certainly boot them (one spawn kill alone I would let slide...) Last edit by BitterSpock at 2022-12-27 at 1:35 PM (6x Edited) |
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| -Bash- Thread author Private I Posts: 1 |
# Answer: 2 - 2022-12-27 at 2:42 PM
Good Afternoon Bitter, I would '"quote" but thats a long post. Thank you for the response, however I would like to point out one thing and then I will leave it. As my post stated, I was accused of Spawn Camping. Not just Camping. And kicked for Spawn Camping. Im being told this over voice chat so you wont see it in a chat log. However as even those two logs show, I had zero spawn kills. Not even one. Yet I was kicked for Spawn Camping, and continue to be threatened to get kicked for Spawn Camping ( again, not camping) no matter where I am on the map or how many kills I get or dont get. Also again, this is all being done over voice chat so you will not see it in a chat log, and I am wholeheartedly convinced that its being used as an excuse to single me out and kick me without having to provide any actual proof of wrong doing. Abuse of power imo. Thats my issue. In closing I would just like to say that I totally understand the frustrations of being an admin. I know that I would not want that job. However I feel like being an admin is a choice. If the solution to an issue involves- "just let them kill you so they dont get mad and find/make up a reason to kick you", then maybe its not the right position for them. Thank you so much for the response. It is greatly appreciated, and I hope you have a very happy new year Bash! Last edit by -Bash- at 2022-12-27 at 3:37 PM (4x Edited) |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 3 - 2022-12-27 at 3:58 PM
In the game you may see PlayerX killed spawn If you see that message it is spawn kill. But not all spawn kills are detectable. That message metely means that a plyer had died twice in the last 8 seconds |
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