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 ELROMPEVENAPrivate I Posts: 1 |
# Thread - 2023-03-19 at 2:19 PM
Hola, hoy tuve la experiencia de ser expulsado 2 veces por sandman 7, segun el que yo estaba campeando y no fue asi, las 2 veces que le pego en el juego, el me expulsa y dice que estaba campeando. como admin no funciona, o tal vez odia a los latinos. Last edit by ELROMPEVENA at 2023-03-19 at 2:21 PM (1x Edited)
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 AngusMaster Sergeant I Posts: 97 |
# Answer: 1 - 2023-03-19 at 2:30 PM
Follow the rules and you'll be fine. you don't get to break them because you think you are special. Follow them like everyone else. And being polite to the admins instead of being argumentative will be good advise for you. Last edit by Angus at 2023-03-19 at 2:35 PM (3x Edited) |
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 Fender_StratCommander Posts: 366 |
# Answer: 2 - 2023-03-19 at 3:48 PM
Translation: Hi, today I had the experience to be kicked twice by sandman7, according to him I was camping and that wasn't the case, the two times I shot him, he kicks me and says that I was camping. As admin he doesn't work, or maybe he hates latinos. |
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 Mr.MTipLieutenant General III Posts: 305 |
# Answer: 3 - 2023-03-19 at 4:29 PM
As I understand things Sandmans wife is a latina women of some origin I cant remember. Im pretty sure he loves his wife as well as his children who are also of latin blood. He has stated several times he speaks a passable amount of functional spanish. Perhaps you should choose your words more carefully. Being rude in any language will get you removed. Im assuming it was a zero time kick first off all. Second.... I think making a suggestion like that was a real dick move and shows how willing you are to double down on your ignorance. Good job hopping onto the admin radar though. Did it in style. Just kidding... that was really bad form man |
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| ELROMPEVENA Thread author Private I Posts: 1 |
# Answer: 4 - 2023-03-19 at 4:37 PM
Es un buen servidor, es al unico que juego online, se que tuve la razón, y por ese motivo no vuelvo a jugar mas en el. Saludos. |
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| sandman_7 Master Sergeant Location: houston Posts: 94 |
# Answer: 5 - 2023-03-19 at 4:43 PM
The player kicked was kicked for spawn camping. I saw him do this repeatedly on a couple of maps. We don't warn before kicking for camping. |
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 TheEarlyBirdLt. Colonel  Location: The Great Nest Posts: 210 |
# Answer: 6 - 2023-03-20 at 11:26 AM
I don't know how much my word is worth yet, but I can confirm Elrom was indeed spawn camping. I think Elrom is confusing spawn camping with regular camping. Never the less, it is not an excuse for his behaviour afterwards. Sandman was actually quite patient in retrospect. Props ------------------ 
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| sandman_7 Master Sergeant Location: houston Posts: 94 |
# Answer: 7 - 2023-03-20 at 5:24 PM
Thanks Strat for the translation & thanks to both Tip & Bird for the kind words. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2864 |
# Answer: 8 - 2023-03-26 at 11:08 AM
Okay, first of all a couple of things..... I want players who have an issue with the server, or the admin, or other players to feel that they can come to the server and seek a resolution to whatever that is. 1. I want to provide a forum here where they can tell their side 2. If an admin is called out I would like for them to tell their side of what they believe they witnessed 3. If others where present they can say what they witnessed 4. The above represents each person's input and what each person believes is true. 4. I don't want the player berated here for any reason - even if they are being nasty in their tone or actions - try to focus on what information they are trying to convey - not how they are saying it. 5. The last part of this is to provide the testimony for what was seen in the logs to see which of the above stories hold up to scrutiny and then make recommendations as to how to ascertain what likely happened and how to resolve it. So let me go do that..... Bitter Bien, antes que nada un par de cosas... Quiero que los jugadores que tengan un problema con el servidor, el administrador u otros jugadores sientan que pueden acudir al servidor y buscar una solución a lo que sea. 1. Quiero proporcionar un foro aquí donde puedan contar su punto de vista. 2. Si se llama a un administrador, me gustaría que cuente su versión de lo que cree que presenció. 3. Si otros están presentes, pueden decir lo que presenciaron 4. Lo anterior representa el aporte de cada persona y lo que cada persona cree que es verdad. 4. No quiero que el jugador sea regañado aquí por ningún motivo, incluso si está siendo desagradable en su tono o acciones, trate de concentrarse en la información que está tratando de transmitir, no en cómo la está diciendo. 5. La última parte de esto es proporcionar el testimonio de lo que se vio en los registros para ver cuáles de las historias anteriores resisten el escrutinio y luego hacer recomendaciones sobre cómo determinar lo que probablemente sucedió y cómo resolverlo. Así que déjame ir a hacer eso ..... Bitter |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2864 |
# Answer: 9 - 2023-03-26 at 12:46 PM
From the logs: The map was courtyard - one aspect of courtyard is that it is tiny and no matter where you are on the map you can see people spawn all over the place. And if you did not see them spawn each player is likely a step or two away from a spawn point. ELROMPEVENA just spawns himself and kills SteveDM (who last died 151 seconds ago) The history ending in .+ shows that this is ELROMPEVENA's first kill since he himself spawned ++RECYCLE TIME = 151, SPAWNKILL=0 GUID: 636139139 HISTORY: killer=.+..HH++..+ rate=.1.1211............. 1679247184 K;892486671;6;allies;SteveDM;636139139;13;axis;ELROMPEVENA;frag_grenade_mp;97;MOD_GRENADE_SPLASH;none Now I see his seconds kill is Sandman (who last died 10 seconds earlier i.e RECYCLE time) Now the epoch timestamp is 1679247184 which is the same as SteveDM above. So Sandman was killed as collateral damage by the same bullet stream that killed non-spawning SteveDM ++RECYCLE TIME = 10, SPAWNKILL=0 GUID: 636139139 HISTORY: killer=.+..HH++..++ rate=.1.1212............. 1679247184 K;816129854;21;allies;[OTaC]sandman_7;636139139;13;axis;ELROMPEVENA;fg42_bipod_mp;25;MOD_RIFLE_BULLET; torso_lower Sandman then wrongfully kicks ELROMPEVENA for spawn camping. You don't get to kick anyone that spawn kills you for one event. To be clear SPAWN KILLING is ALLOWED as long as you are pushing through, or it is an objective map type, or if you just spawned yourself etc. SPAWN CAMPING is when you are sitting in a spot and picking off players as soon as they spawn, this means you are stationary and your kill more than one player. That is NOT ALLOWED. One spawn kill can never be considered SPAWN CAMPING for any reason there has to be more than one and their has to be time in between. You cannot instantaneously camp. Thas makes no sense. Process Line (403283): [1][2] 1679247190 say;816129854;21;[OTaC]sandman_7; !kc elr ELROMPEVENA rejoins and says: WHY KICK 1679247232 say;636139139;3;ELROMPEVENA; WHY KICK Sandman responds correctly for what he believed happened 1679247242 say;816129854;21;[OTaC]sandman_7;!r7 '#7 - Spawnkills happen sometimes, but spawn camping is forbidden' Adding... 1679247247 say;816129854;21;[OTaC]sandman_7; you always spawn camp I don't know if that is true or not in general - not looking it up (take too much time) - but it is not true in this particular instance. ELROMPEVENA responds: 1679247253 say;636139139;3;ELROMPEVENA; YOU NEED LEARN MORE TO BE AN ADMIN MAN Now in general this is slightly disrespectful but not egregious, but I understand it from the standpoint of he was actually wronged by Sandman unprovoked. At the same time I can see from Sandman's perspective where he believes the was SPAWN CAMPING again that ELROPEVENA is just defying the admin and insulting their judgement. It is because of the above that I want players and admin alike to take steps to DE-ESCALATE the situation in the face of the other side showing anger, disdain, contempt or otherwise. Everyone has their own perspective and everyone is in the right in their own mind. Anyway after that.... ELROMPEVENA either is saying Sandman is not a man which is bad, or he is missing an important comma (No, Man ... like No, Dude) and he is merely saying that "I disagree" but English is not his first language so it comes out as NO MAN 1679247286 say;636139139;3;ELROMPEVENA; NO MAN And sandman then kicks him for trolling - since he interpreting it as bad asserts "I am not going to deal with this - goodbye" 1679247294 say;816129854;21;[OTaC]sandman_7; !kt elr then 1679247297 say;816129854;21;[OTaC]sandman_7; try again Next map ELROMEVENA rejoins and chats over time (I think the google translate TAKE OUT means kick/eject): ANY ADMIN WHO SPEAKS SPANISH? TO TAKE WHERE YOU KNOW HAHAHA IT HAPPENS THAT I WAS TAKEN A LONG TIME AGO AND THE ONE THAT TAKEN ME IS LONG TO BE AN ADMIN IT HAPPENS THAT I WAS TAKEN A LONG TIME AGO AND THE ONE THAT TAKEN ME IS LONG TO BE AN ADMIN HE TAKES ME OUT BECAUSE HE DID NOT LIKE THAT I KILLED HIM YES IT SEEMS SO NO CAMP 1679251609 say;636139139;7;ELROMPEVENA; ALGUN ADMIN QUE HABLE ESPAÑOL? 1679251649 say;636139139;7;ELROMPEVENA; A TOMAR POR DONDE TU SABES JAJAJA 1679251708 say;636139139;7;ELROMPEVENA; PASA QUE ME SACARON HACE RATO Y ESE QUE ME SACO LE FALTA MUCHO PARA SER ADMIN 1679251802 say;636139139;7;ELROMPEVENA; ME SACO PORQUE NO LE GUSTO QUE LO MATARA Now I don't speak spanish so when I see words I don't understand mixed in with words I do understand like ADMIN I would assume something bad is being said about the admin. Later in a different match, ELROMPEVENA respawns himself and kills this player "Epselan" who last died 27 seconds ago ++RECYCLE TIME = 27, SPAWNKILL=0 GUID: 636139139 HISTORY: killer=H.+.+.+H+.+ rate=.111...21.1......... 1679254960 K;1152713590;25;allies;Epselan;636139139;7;axis;ELROMPEVENA;kar98k_mp;91;MOD_RIFLE_BULLET;torso_lower He also shoots MPLSMN, 6 seconds later (MPLSMN was last died 26 seconds ago) ++RECYCLE TIME = 26, SPAWNKILL=0 GUID: 636139139 HISTORY: killer=H.+.+.+H+.++ rate=.111...21.2......... 1679254966 K;1212228667;6;allies;MPLSMN;636139139;7;axis;ELROMPEVENA;kar98k_mp;63;MOD_RIFLE_BULLET;right_arm_upper Epselan even responds Nice Shot to ELROMPEVENA Process Line (411705): [0][0] 1679254971 say;1152713590;25;Epselan; ns Then Sandman wrongly kicks ELROMPEVENA for a camping violation Process Line (411706): [0][1] 1679254973 say;816129854;21;[OTaC]sandman_7; !kc elr 1h Looking at the HISTORY: killer=H.+.+.+H+.++ rate=.111...21.2......... He has no killstreak longer that 3, has never been alive longer than 2 minutes, and has not killed a newly spawning player as they are all alive for 26+ seconds, so there is NO CAMPING and NO SPAWN CAMPING and NO SPAWN KILLING Sandman is in the wrong here for this one. Summary: Sandman is an excellent admin. Admin are imperfect, can respond with emotion, and can get it wrong sometimes. Players are imperfect, can respond with emotion, and can get it wrong sometimes. Going forward we all need to de-escalate to avoid these types of situations It's just a game. We need players to keep the server going We need admin to keep the server going Remember, if and admin kicked you, and you believe in your heart you were wrongfully kicked.... If you rejoin, just brush it off.... You only lost about 30 seconds of fun, you remember what your score was and you can add that to your end of match score at games end. Arguing with an admin never ends well in practice. Admin, if a player is being argumentative - please consider that they may be on the right side of the argument and do your best to de-escalate. Use words like - I am sorry you disagree with me, but lets just play the game If they are putting too many messages on the screed that don't kick them from trolling, use !troll player 5 Then they kick themselves if they persist. You never kicked them. ELROMPEVENA I am sorry that you were kicked - if you understand that it just a game and you only lost 30 seconds of gameplay - you will have a much better experience going forward than calling out admin. Sandman was mistaken at first, but the last kick was just wrong. Sorry about that. Let's all try to do better going forward. Resumen: Sandman es un excelente administrador. Los administradores son imperfectos, pueden responder con emoción y, a veces, pueden equivocarse. Los jugadores son imperfectos, pueden responder con emoción y, a veces, pueden equivocarse. En el futuro, todos debemos reducir la escalada para evitar este tipo de situaciones. Es solo un juego. Necesitamos jugadores para mantener el servidor funcionando. Necesitamos administrador para mantener el servidor funcionando Recuerda, si un administrador te pateó, y crees en tu corazón que te patearon injustamente.... Si vuelves a unirte, simplemente límpialo.... Solo perdiste alrededor de 30 segundos de diversión, recuerdas cuál fue tu puntaje y puedes agregarlo a tu puntaje al final del partido al final de los juegos. Discutir con un administrador no termina bien en la práctica. Administrador, si un jugador está discutiendo, tenga en cuenta que puede estar en el lado correcto de la discusión y haga todo lo posible para reducir la tensión. Use palabras como: Lamento que no esté de acuerdo conmigo, pero sigamos el juego. Si están poniendo demasiados mensajes en la regla que no los expulsan de trolear, usa !troll player 5 Luego se patean a sí mismos si persisten. Nunca los pateaste. ELROMPEVENA Lamento que te hayan expulsado. Si entiendes que es solo un juego y que solo perdiste 30 segundos de juego, tendrás una experiencia mucho mejor en el futuro que llamar al administrador. Sandman se equivocó al principio, pero la última patada fue simplemente incorrecta. Lo lamento. Intentemos todos hacerlo mejor en el futuro. Last edit by BitterSpock at 2023-03-26 at 12:49 PM (1x Edited) |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2864 |
# Answer: 10 - 2023-03-26 at 12:53 PM
The above represents and hour of my life I can't get back - so in the end while I would like transparency as a goal, I would like never having to be in a situation where I need to provide transparency as a bigger goal. So please DE-ESCALATE - admin and players alike. It's just a game. |
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| Fender_Strat Commander Posts: 366 |
# Answer: 11 - 2023-03-26 at 5:10 PM
2023-03-26 at 2:46 PM - BitterSpock: 1679251609 say;636139139;7;ELROMPEVENA; ALGUN ADMIN QUE HABLE ESPAÑOL? 1679251649 say;636139139;7;ELROMPEVENA; A TOMAR POR DONDE TU SABES JAJAJA 1679251708 say;636139139;7;ELROMPEVENA; PASA QUE ME SACARON HACE RATO Y ESE QUE ME SACO LE FALTA MUCHO PARA SER ADMIN 1679251802 say;636139139;7;ELROMPEVENA; ME SACO PORQUE NO LE GUSTO QUE LO MATARA Just to help you Bitter with the translations: - Any admin that speaks spanish? - Well, screw it anyway hahaha - It happens that I was kicked and the one who kicked me is far away to be an admin - He kicked me because he didnt like to be killed by me |
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| _Humber Lt. Colonel Posts: 211 |
# Answer: 12 - 2023-03-26 at 6:13 PM
So please DE-ESCALATE - admin and players alike. It's just a game. Noted Bitter. Thank you. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2864 |
# Answer: 13 - 2023-04-02 at 8:44 PM
Fender_strat - Read answer #9 - I already translated this..... But thanks! |
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