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 aleph_0Private I Posts: 2 |
# Thread - 2023-05-09 at 2:03 PM
Hi all, I've asked this question to a few OTaC admins, but the responses have been conflicting. Suppose that I use the overkill perk and equip two primary weapons: the first is a bolt-action rifle with iron sights, and the second is a different bolt-action rifle with a sniper scope. I am allowed to use the scoped rifle if I never actually shoot the weapon and use it only as if it were a pair of binoculars? Why or why not? |
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| legi_istra Commander Posts: 326 |
# Answer: 1 - 2023-05-09 at 2:17 PM
hi iron sights is allowed but sniper scope not !!! for me you can ( but when any admins see you me to with sniper scope will warn you ) and when you kill someone with it you get a autokick !!! |
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 Mr.MTipLieutenant General II Posts: 304 |
# Answer: 2 - 2023-05-09 at 2:20 PM
Well the rule states quite clearly No Scopes so...being that youre a regular player I think you would know by now that regulars rarely get any slack for even minor infractions of our rule set. I would say No Scopes means No scopes. There are still telescopic sights and a bazooka you can do the exact same thing with, AND.... with the added bonus of never being harrassed by admins protecting the clearly stated rules. |
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| Mr.MTip Lieutenant General II Posts: 304 |
# Answer: 3 - 2023-05-09 at 2:21 PM
Im having a hard time wrapping my head around that even being a question honestly |
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| _Humber Lt. Colonel Posts: 211 |
# Answer: 4 - 2023-05-10 at 2:12 AM
Self evident really. The rule states no sniper scopes. In the past I have seen many players kicked for just having one - without using it. |
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 Nair0lFMaster of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 5 - 2023-05-10 at 3:32 AM
You can ask Admins to request a sniper scope Match , any map you would like to play with sniper scopes Mode only, but you are not allowed to even run with a scoped Bolt on your back , even you don't use it. It is very strictly, but other players will report it and New players see you with it on a back and will use it and get automatically kicked for use it, it will bring confusion. |
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 BitterSpockMaster of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2864 |
# Answer: 6 - 2023-05-10 at 11:57 AM
If you never fire the sniper scoped rifle, you may have it in your possession and use it as binoculars. We don't kick for sniper kills since it is an autokick by the bot. Don't fire it so admin don't have to warn you for using a scope. I feel you are a sitting duck using the scope since you have to switch weapons to return fire so if you feel inclined to be a sitting duck - good luck with that. |
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| _Humber Lt. Colonel Posts: 211 |
# Answer: 7 - 2023-05-10 at 6:42 PM
Well Bitter - you are the boss - so I guess we will have to go with your interpretation/decision - however isn't using the scope to see, still using a sniper scope? Isn't it the same principle as having your pistol out while out of doors, without firing it? Isn't that still using it out of doors? Don't we warn players regarding using the pistol in this situation? For my education and betterment, would you mind explaining why using a sniper scope to see is ok, when the rule says NO SNIPER SCOPES, but having your pistol out while out of doors is not okay, when the rule says PISTOLS ONLY INSIDE AND UNDER THE SAME ROOF AS YOUR TARGET??? |
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| Nair0lF Master of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 8 - 2023-05-11 at 1:41 AM
The problem is, when the player use the scope as binocular and then get killed from a different enemy player, the scoped gun is on the Ground and someone mention it to the Admin, or New players will use it , we never allowed it before , he can use a ACOG scoped weapon to play with it ,or use it as binocular in any other normal ruleset map, but no sniper scope on a Bolt for binocular please , or using ACOG in a Bolt only Match. |
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| Angus Master Sergeant I Posts: 97 |
# Answer: 9 - 2023-05-11 at 7:17 AM
I agree with Nair. Rule states no scopes allowed. there is no further "but can use as a Binoccular." All it does is draw unneeded attention and really is unneccessary to even have. why? you may ask? ACOG. you can mount it and use it and admins will not be compelled to watch or warn you, and a new player will not be inclined to follow your lead. you may know the rules, but new people do not. If they see you with one, they'll have one and they will use it. we want to populate not see new players auto kicked by following your lead. do the admins a favor, use an acog equipped weapon. |
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| Voodoo Commander  Posts: 629 |
# Answer: 10 - 2023-05-11 at 8:01 AM
The standard rule on this server is that sniper rifles may ONLY be used on maps designated as "sniper maps" This means that if the ruleset is for BOLTS only then that is what is allowed. We have never ever allowed players to carry a sniper scoped rifle for any reason other than for the stated purpose of using it on a map where the sniper ruleset has been enabled. As sniper rifles are ONLY allowed to be used on SNIPER maps it seems to me that allowing guests to "carry" them as binoculars (really??) when ACOG scopes are available is redundant and asking for issues as already stated. Last edit by Voodoo at 2023-05-11 at 8:03 AM (1x Edited) |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2864 |
# Answer: 11 - 2023-05-11 at 11:45 AM
Nobody manually kicks a player with a scope anymore. We have a !wsgl taunt to let people know that they can't kill/damage anyone with it or they are auto-kicked on first use. So there is nothing for you to do differently as an admin. Normally we hear a sniper shot and we type !wsgl. In the binocular case there is no shot to hear. As such I see no measurable issue with a user having one in their hands using it to see far away all the while they are a sitting duck. You should not be kicking someone for "NOT shooting someone with a sniper rifle" . So this is a "don't care" situation. Rifle left on the ground changes nothing, all players that see it should already know that you can't use it. If they do they get kicked ONCE - then they know. There is no change in outcome. So it just doesn't matter. We have spent more time in this thread than everyone will collectively ever spend interacting in game with a scope=binocular situation. It just does not matter. If you feel it matters to you that you would take time out of the game to stop this behavior then go nuts talking to the player. But you should not be kicking them unless they are killing people with the sniper scope. Regarding: Rule states no scopes allowed. there is no further "but can use as a Binoccular." If we are going to be exact on this basis, then technically there is no such thing as "bunny hopping is not allowed" and also I should go through the logs and see who did not follow protocol when kicking a camper. anyway.... It is just a game, and THIS ask just does not matter at all. So I am simply saying that you can ignore it in the 0.001% chance you actually see a person doing it. Last edit by BitterSpock at 2023-05-11 at 11:54 AM (3x Edited) |
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| Voodoo Commander Posts: 629 |
# Answer: 12 - 2023-05-12 at 6:52 AM
2023-05-11 at 11:45 AM - BitterSpock: Regarding: Rule states no scopes allowed. there is no further "but can use as a Binoccular." Clarity of rules keeps discussions and misunderstandings to a minimum. As it is now permissible to carry a scoped rifle in game while not on a scope permitted map perhaps this addendum could be added to the rule. While the rule does not state that it MAY be used as a binocular it does clearly state that scopes are not allowed, it is not circumstantial. Yes, it is just a game, with rules. If specific rules need to be fleshed out a bit then I don't see the harm. Our pistol rule, for example, does not allow for someone to openly carry it while moving about. It must remain holstered unless the player is under a roof. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2864 |
# Answer: 13 - 2023-05-12 at 1:11 PM
"Our pistol rule, for example, does not allow for someone to openly carry it while moving about. It must remain holstered unless the player is under a roof. " And even with that rule you can switch to your pistol outside and swap it for a weapon on the ground. So no not everything is spelled out. |
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| Voodoo Commander Posts: 629 |
# Answer: 14 - 2023-05-13 at 5:06 AM
Yes, you can but you cannot simply walk around with it in the open suggesting that it may be for another purpose. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2864 |
# Answer: 15 - 2023-05-13 at 9:13 AM
Agreed |
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