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# Thread - 2016-09-13 at 7:17 AM
Name of player: _-_-Apu-_-_ Accusation: Wallhacking Evidence: https://www.sendspace.com/file/no6u3f If required, I can provide more evidence, but I think his gameplay in the beginning is sufficient enough. As stated I've moderated and staffed on this game for a long time and know a WH when I see one  If, and only "if" you need further evidence I can bring out the big guns.
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 MrMackeyMkayBoardMod  Location: Portland OR Posts: 823 |
# Answer: 1 - 2016-09-13 at 9:18 AM
Whistleblower, thank you for providing this recording. I and other admin will examine the recording and report back to this thread with our findings. We take the assistance of our guests with great appreciation. Our guests and admin are the people who work together, making OTaC a great place to game. Thank you again. ------------------ Something Really Witty!!! |
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| Corporal I Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 2 - 2016-09-13 at 10:07 AM
If needed, to make things easier. I can turn the demo into a youtube video so that it can be watched easier. It also allows me to do other things along the line of highlight exactly who and what he firing at. Specially during his first major slip-up in the start of the demo when he randomly jumps and fires at an inconspicuous spot. But I hear you guys are very good at spotting these things anyways so I don't think I would need to pull out the big guns, since it does require a good bit of effort on my part to make them. |
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| MrMackeyMkay BoardMod Location: Portland OR Posts: 823 |
# Answer: 3 - 2016-09-13 at 10:23 AM
Do not spend any more effort. We can use the file you have provided as it is. ------------------ Something Really Witty!!! |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 4 - 2016-09-13 at 12:55 PM
If you have additional supporting demos (in *.dm_6 format), that is helpful. Otherwise we will review the demo you have. |
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| Corporal I Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 5 - 2016-09-13 at 1:15 PM
I think I have another demo but I forgot to label thi s one so I have to sort through them now. That being said, if and only if requested, I can have player locations highlighted on the demos when I re-record the demo into an .avi format. I wanted to be 100% sure he was cheating so earlier I decided to watch the demo on my laptop with player locations highlighted to see "exactly" where he was aiming. And it pretty much confirmed what I already knew, he was firing at people's exact locations through walls and tracing them perfectly or near perfectly. And even funnier is how his gameplay style does a complete 180 degree turn after he realizes im recording him. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 6 - 2016-09-13 at 1:37 PM
Don't make an AVI..... demo format is preferred and has the most accuracy, detail, and we have the ability to slow them down to view them. avi loses precision and they are huge. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 7 - 2016-09-13 at 1:38 PM
funny name ...... whistleblower reporting someone...... lol way to be anonymous ... lol |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 8 - 2016-09-13 at 1:39 PM
will review this in a few hours, once I am off work ... |
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| honda BoardMod Posts: 495 |
# Answer: 9 - 2016-09-13 at 2:06 PM
I don't see any hack at all, he was just spamming wall, first spamming to the library as he turned away Eddie killed him, if He knew some one there he could have waited for Eddie to show, the rest he was taking easy giving himself away by shooting normal camping spots. ------------------ 
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 10 - 2016-09-13 at 3:49 PM
I did not see anything at all in the video other than wall spamming, which is allowed on our server. I did not see anything questionable, no amazing shots, in fact quite the opposite, lots of misses, and being shot by people he di not see. For completeness, his kill/death streak profiles is (+ = kill, . = death): +++++++++++.+.++..+.+..+..++.+++++.+.+++ .++.+.++..+ So other than a killstreak at the start, he had fairly regular deaths mixed with kills. Overall score was: kills: 034, deaths: 018, diff: 016, streak: 011, headshots: 005, rank: 02, map: mp_downfall, aliases: _-_-Apu-_-_ His kills per minute profile (each digit represents the total kills in a chronological minute during the game): .15521111123113212..1 Nothing amazing. a couple 5 KPM, other than that he is 0-3 KPM, and mostly 1 KPM So again other than a nice streak at the onset, he seems fine. Was he camping, no way for me to know. but certainly not hacking. I am sorry M**_*** but I think you may be feeling like the killstreak at the onset warranted spec'ing combined with a bit of misinterpreted wishful thinking on your part. Noobville and Apu have always been at the top of the "here is the hacking video" list. Nothing ever turns up. Doesn't mean we should stop looking, but it certainly builds a track record of predicting the statistical likelihood of a hack being extremely low. Noobville is an exceptional player, Apu is pretty good too (though he may want to adhere to the rules a bit more, hint hint .... Apu). I am open to the possibility that Apu or any player may be hacking and need only see the conclusive "smoking gun" video/demo for said player. This demo is not such a video. And the statistics do not support a period of time where a hack was in use. |
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| Corporal I Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 11 - 2016-09-13 at 6:02 PM
Alright, i'll get the avi/video up and running and give a personal breakdown. One thing I like about my method for videos is that I can show "exactly" where the person is aiming. I'll make it in a youtube format so that it wont take up a lot of space or even need to be downloaded. Just viewed. The problem with that game is that it was set to "Bolt Action Only" I'll have the video and a detailed breakdown shortly. Roughly an hour or so. *Video will be inserted into here* |
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| Corporal I Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 12 - 2016-09-13 at 6:51 PM
Below is a video of what is really happening in the demo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjMbwAnjpRs&feature=youtu.be 0:11 seconds into the video, he traces a player through several concrete walls and traces them to the exact location who is 100% out of all visibility jumps up and fires at the person in hopes of a kill. He acted upon information that no player should have had. Again at 0:23 he is tracing a player through a wall quite perfectly, and is even mimicking his movement. 0:36 he spammed the wall for a bit, perhaps in a way to throw suspicion off, then subtly tries to fire at the guy through the wall again for quite a few shots. 0:40 again a player just spawns, and he perfectly traces the person through the wall even though the guy made the slightest movement after spawning. 0:48 Is it possible that he saw the person move through the grey background? Maybe, but in this manner coupled with all the other instances, I feel it more akin that he had something to tell him where people are. Another point I want to bring up is that the reason his score sunk so hard was because he stopped mid game to argue when I called him out on his WH. After the 1 minute mark it was just him idling to argue with me. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 13 - 2016-09-13 at 7:41 PM
Oh now I see your perspective..... Honda, BitterSpock and MrMackeyMkay have evaluated the demo and have already concluded that Apu was not hacking. However, after seeing your YouTube video, I can say that with 100% certainty, that MLG_LMG (a.k.a. whistleblower) has access to and has used a wall hack recently. In fact the wall hack view further proves Apu's innocence but casts suspicion in the opposite direction. We will keep a close eye on MLG_LMG, and thank you for raising our awareness. See you in game, and play straight. |
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 deebow9Commander Posts: 330 |
# Answer: 14 - 2016-09-13 at 7:50 PM
if APU is hacking, it is my opinion, also, that this recording is not evidence. db9 |
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| Corporal I Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 15 - 2016-09-13 at 7:59 PM
I also mentioned that I my self staff on another server and have to use this method to confirm my suspicions. It is a way that demos can be viewed to be 100% sure before banning, the demo openly showed him tracing a player through a wall. The fact that a WH is used on a demo which was viewed and used on a completely different machine proves nothing. To accuse me of using one simply in lieu of evidence being used to prove a case. I have been at this for a long time and know a WH when I see it. in the first minute of that video he outright traces players through a wall with no visibility. You are just showing a bias because he is a server regular, maybe donated in the past. But to accuse me of a WH simply for evidence provided is insulting and counter intuitive, specially as the evidence I gave was crystal clear. |
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| Corporal I Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 16 - 2016-09-13 at 8:04 PM
I saw this and recognized it imediately upon spectating him I only felt the need to highlight players in the demo it self to confirm suspicions 100% |
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| deebow9 Commander Posts: 330 |
# Answer: 17 - 2016-09-13 at 8:19 PM
whistle, you have completely misread your audience regarding me. please, come back when you have something that warrants my time, because i truly dislike cheaters. db9 |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 18 - 2016-09-13 at 9:49 PM
whistleblower, your analysis neglects a plethora of obvious instances/counterpoints during the videos which serve to disprove your hypothesis. How long you have been at this is irrelevant, as both of the both videos support the contrary position to which you are attempting to make, an that casts doubt on the validity of your self-proclaimed expert testimony. Your rendition of how the facts unfold is hand-waving at best. Sorry, but you don't have the "smoking gun video" here. I do believe that in your mind and heart you are 100% convinced of your assertions, but that is both subjective and incorrect. I appreciate your coming forward to report a hacker, but in this instance it will not result in a ban for Apu based on videos provided. |
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| code Staff Sergeant II  Posts: 61 |
# Answer: 19 - 2016-09-14 at 5:48 AM
interesting ------------------   Last edit by code at 2016-09-14 at 5:49 AM (1x Edited) |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 20 - 2016-09-14 at 6:22 AM
it is only interesting if (code == whistleblower) |
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