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 SoberdashPrivate Posts: 0 |
# Thread - 2016-10-04 at 11:03 PM
Your In-Game Name: Soberdash Server you were banned from: OuT*Tact Tactical Crouch Ranked Your GUID: 5428127c3dcdfe70d6b7ced450a646e0 Time/Date of the ban: 10:28:00 PM Reason for ban: If i recall the message it was "Hacking and or exploiting" sorry i don't remember exactly Admin who banned you: BitterSpock Home country: United States of America Why you believe you should be unbanned: I feel that BitterSpock while only following orders to keep the server fun and free of cheaters misunderstood the situation. For the few minutes i was able to talk to Spock after the incident he was nothing but hostile to me and even booted me out of the team speak. Multiple times i heard the word hacker being used because of the spot i was in. (This video will show it, sorry for the kid in the background. https://youtu.be/yfuEl41bmug?t=22s) The only reason i was in the spot was to show a fellow player (Noobville) . We planned on getting on another server after the match so he could learn (both of us cod4 players we enjoyed a mode/mod known as cod jumper that utilizes the same mechanics, jumping around to new heights). While i agree its not the most legitimate spots in the game its not the only one i see members using. I feel it needs to be addressed in a more calm manner as is sprinting and other issues on the server. Now that i explained the situation the only reason i feel i should be unbanned is because I've always been one to follow rules and even one to help catch hackers. I may not be a member or on as often as most of you but i try my best to follow rules as not to upset others. For example last year i worked with Grey Bear when i was under the alias "Aimban" and took the time to come on team speak to explain how i shot faster and even recorded game-play to submit for review. This was before the max kill rule which even then i accepted and would only use a bolt as not to upset anyone. I'm not here for the unfair advantage and I'm aware the spot is dirty with the walls you can walk though but i feel if as an organization you feel these spots shouldn't be allowed they need to be addressed like all other rules and time needs to be taken to decide what spots are allowed like the wing on airfield even though it may be a bug. Sorry for the lengthy message but thank you for your time. If you need to contact me please leave a message on my steam profile or add me and we can chat. http://steamcommunity.com/id/Sobercash/ |
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 BitterSpockMaster of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 1 - 2016-10-04 at 11:37 PM
I do not believe you were hacking. I witnessed you exploiting the ability to pass through walls to take aim on unsuspecting enemies,and then back out to take cover behind the wall, hidden from view. Exploiting map glitches is cheating. In other COD games there used to be boulders that you could get inside or windows that you can shoot out of bu the enemy cant shoot in. It is that class of cheating exploit. That was the reason for my ban. Initially I was under the impression that you needed a hack to get to that spot on the roof of the Airfield admin building, I have since altered that opinion. Regardless from up on top of the roof you then started killing players. Hence the ban. I will discuss this unique situation with Mackey and Honda. Clearly you can tell from the malformed graphics up there that players are not intended to be up there. I started watching you since I saw a high streak of kills and was curious. From the chat logs it looks like you were up on the roof just prior and then got off to show Noobville how to get back up. |
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 Corporal I Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 2 - 2016-10-05 at 8:28 AM
I apologize for posting on here but I do feel what I am about to say/ask will be relevant and prevent things like this from happening in the future. As I have mentioned in the past I admin on the High Jump server and have done so for a long time. As such on a server of that nature. I know of about 75 percent of the games glitches and how to get to them. With your permission Id like to send tutorials to your servers coders so that they can simply make killzones at the entry points. Thus preventing this from happening again in the future. I apologize again for posting here but I feel I may actually be able to help out with this problem. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 3 - 2016-10-05 at 12:13 PM
We are not a modded server.... "With your permission Id like to send tutorials to your servers coders so that they can simply make killzones at the entry points." The above has no relevance. |
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| Corporal I Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 4 - 2016-10-05 at 12:42 PM
The ones that I am talking about are accessible through normal means much like the airfield rooftop. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 5 - 2016-10-05 at 1:03 PM
Whistleblower, Please make a separate post in the forums (General Discussion or Server Suggestion) to have this discussion if you are so inclined, as it is distracting from the purpose of this thread which is EXCLUSIVELY for Soberdash and OTaC to convey information back and forth regarding the ban that has been placed on him. Thank you. |
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| MrMackeyMkay BoardMod  Location: Portland OR Posts: 823 |
# Answer: 6 - 2016-10-07 at 12:15 AM
Soberdash, that is the first time I have seen anyone access a map point that is clearly not intended for player access. Any location where you see the caulk, or invisible, texture of a form was never meant to be accessed. I do not know why you think this would be allowed in any game server. Any other hard-to-access location on the map is fair game because targets can see you when you can see them. In the location you positioned, you were looking through texture faces and one-way-textures. Please explain why this is not cheating to gain an advantage in making kills against other players on our server. Please explain why remaining in this position is different than using any other unfair means or method for gaining advantage in making kills against other players on our server. ------------------ Something Really Witty!!! |
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| general Private II Posts: 4 |
# Answer: 7 - 2016-10-07 at 6:41 AM
COD WaW full of these spots and you can see error in graphics/texture all over stalk maps in normal places. Does that mean we can't stand on this part of map? That would eliminate tons of map sections and avenues of approach. Shoot him while he's getting to that spot or now that you know of it (which the good players already do) just shot him or lay shots into the wall he takes cover behind. That wall isn't impossible to shoot through, you just need the right perk or actually hit him and not miss then claim he cant be killed. |
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| deebow9 Commander Posts: 330 |
# Answer: 8 - 2016-10-07 at 11:13 AM
nice first post general. MMMkay is spot on. db9 |
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| general Private II Posts: 4 |
# Answer: 9 - 2016-10-07 at 11:23 AM
ty for nice comments. MrMkay (or MMMkay? bit confused on what he goes by) isn't spot on bc its not a one way spot. you can see the persons gun if you look close enough. you guys really never been there before? |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 10 - 2016-10-07 at 6:45 PM
The spot it not as big of an issue as exploiting the ability to pass through walls. Let's say you had a hack that that allowed you to walk through a wall, shoot while only being partially exposed, and the disappear back through the wall for concealment. That hack would be forbidden. In this case the player was doing this without a hack by exploiting a glitch on the map. Not all glitches present a problem. this one does. No different than glitches where you fall under the map and start shooting players above you. Not going to discard the map just because one player finds a way to get where players were not intended to get. Instead we will will discard the player. Each use of a glitch or map anomaly will be dealt with on a case by case basis. In this case, anyone else found up there will be assumed to be up there for purposes of exploiting the permeable walls and will be removed from the server. So stay out of that location please. And Mackey *is* spot on... Last edit by BitterSpock at 2016-10-07 at 6:47 PM (1x Edited) |
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| general Private II Posts: 4 |
# Answer: 11 - 2016-10-07 at 7:07 PM
If you don't want ppl up there that's fine but don't make an excuse that doesn't make sense. Those spots are not one way views and its no different then players shooting someone from window then stepping back into the room for cover behind a wall. Just use deep impact and kill them if they use that tactic. So yes, when u figure out how to get up there and do some research... He is DEAD wrong! |
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| Meagamoo1996 Brigadier General I  Posts: 259 |
# Answer: 12 - 2016-10-08 at 3:20 AM
Here's the thing. If MrMackey, bitter Spock and Honda see something as wrong, or unsportsmanlike they as senior admins can make a decision to remove the player and revise the rules. Once you pay for a server and have people who care for the integrity of the server then you can comment on what is right or wrong. If you have someone exploiting a glitch where it is nearly impossible to kill them the logical response is to remove the player. As admins we reserve the right to remove any person we see as detrimental to our server. |
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| general Private II Posts: 4 |
# Answer: 13 - 2016-10-08 at 3:51 AM
Never said it wasn't your decision; I said stop making excuses. It isn't near impossible to kill them from those spots, you just banned most decent players off the server so the community has problems with situations like this. You guys are so serious and don't even know when you being trolled. Tell Valvenut I said hi and to sharpen his game up a bit, it's getting dull playing on this server. Lol |
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| Meagamoo1996 Brigadier General I Posts: 259 |
# Answer: 14 - 2016-10-08 at 3:58 AM
Feel free to find another populated server with no hackers. As senior admins (Mackey, honda and bitter) they can ban anyone who is detrimental to our server population. That is no excuse. If we have someone dominating other players constantly they will be dealt with properly. Be that banned, or deemed sever killer. It's all sever integrity. Rather lose 2 players over 20. Have a nice day ^_^ |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 15 - 2016-10-08 at 6:37 AM
Look, general is entitled to have a contrary opinion. I have no problem with that. He can disagree. That is fine. Him disagreeing with our stance on glitches is no different than disagreeing with our stance on scopes, pistol use, or any other guidelines we have in place. Agreement is not a prerequisite, only compliance while on the server. At the end of the day we will always do what we think is right for our server. In this instance stating that exploiting glitches or hacks is not allowed on our rules page seems obvious, but not having to state that seems equally as obvious. Anyway general, if you wish to have further discussion please make a new forum post, this one is for sober dash to respond. Last edit by BitterSpock at 2016-10-08 at 11:37 AM (1x Edited) |
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