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 Badat GamesPrivate First Class II Posts: 15 |
# Thread - 2021-03-02 at 1:11 AM
Hi guys, this is Noobville. I like to find spots nobody goes on the maps, i've been finding some new ones lately. Some are easier to get to than castle roof. Some older, relatively well known spots on different maps have one-way textures, can see but can't be seen. Since i first started playing on OTaC server, this was the line admins had drawn, to define a forbidden and punishable place on a map. Castle roof glitch, exploit, and unfair advantage (terms from yesterday's admins present): - Was never intended to be climbed; - Has invisible walls blocking the steepest parts - players are never intended to collide with these, as they aren't intended to be there in the first place; - Gives a powerful glitch spot advantage, identical to the bridge and sandbags at allied spawn on mp_shrine - a player crouched at those spots is only exposing several pixels. If castle roof access was just discovered now, i'd imagine there would be zero warning / reason kicks and possibly bans happening. As it fits the common usage of the term 'exploit' and camping and shooting from the corners fits the description of 'glitch' and 'unfair advantage'. On to me getting kicked without verbal or text warning lately. A while ago, i jumped from church steeple to a power pole (a). Admin in charge told me i was standing in the air above it, get down. No problem there. A day later, i jumped into a tree (b). It's possible my player model is also standing on air there, i'm not sure. Instant kick, no warning or reason. Yesterday, i jumped onto a small roof in low yard on same map (c). This is a great spot, has LESS invisible walls than castle roof, LESS glitchy cover, and LESS unfair advantage over other players. Another kick, no communication, reason 'admin decision'. When i came back, admins told me i'd been told not to and kicked for it - this is not the case, i was told to stay off (a), powerpole. I was told not to go to (a). Complied. Now anytime i show up anywhere expected, i'm kicked without warning, and told i was told not to go there. I was only warned for one SPECIFIC place (which turned out to be glitchy, yes), and you're talking with your kicking shoes. Also.. on a personal note, a small plea for civility. To whom it may concern. I am prescribed a three-target neurotransmitter booster to function normally, due to several comas while young. Having been in hot water and sometimes banned for playing like a robot, i'm well aware some members think i'm festooned with cheats and codes, probly got matrix text pouring down my screen and a V mask on in my basement, etc etc. If i was a bad apple, you'd be right to be hostile to me. If you (you know who you are) are wrong about me using hacks, your personal dislike is based on a mistake, and you're being an ass. So again, to whom it may concern - stop yelling at me in the damn server over spawncamping and spawnkills, PLEASE. Especially when i've clearly died and respawned and barely killed 3 people in two minutes, and the whole server knows it and somehow you don't. Blinded by rage is not what one would hope to see in a position of authority. And yelling at me over your mic by mistake, without checking the kill feed, while yourself and 'favorite' regulars stretch the camping and spawn shooting rules .. is a bad look for the server, and the clan. If i'm too much trouble, obviously ban me again. There would be less trouble if a certain sub-group didn't dislike me and agitate and escalate against le Noobville so hard, all these years. And GG anyway. Peace. |
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 VoodooCommander  Posts: 651 |
# Answer: 1 - 2021-03-02 at 7:13 AM
Interesting diatribe from your perspective. Your past history haunts you and you do your dead level best to keep admin attention on you by using glitches in game constantly. Your actions tend to cause admin to "have to watch you" because of consistent complaints by other players and the actions that we see you do repeatedly. Asking you to stop a particular action typically gets a laugh by you and a retry or two until we either threaten to kick you, or you are kicked. While your actions may seem perfectly fine by you, on the admin end we have to give up our free time to babysit. This is repeated and repeated ad nauseum and after a while we do get a little tired of the same people doing the same things day in and day out and having to pay particular attention to those actions time after time. As admin we are aware that our game play must be sacrificed in order to promote a fair playing field for all. The server isn't a competitive server, it is setup for the average player and actions that give a "{quote} LESS invisible walls than castle roof, LESS glitchy cover, and LESS unfair advantage over other players" still gives you an unfair advantage which you fully admit to. I have not spoken to a single admin that hasn't had issues with your "glitch" habits and none of them are "blinded by rage" but rather are perturbed by consistent foolishness that has to be dealt with. Just so that you know, we don't get paid to put up with the nonsense that some players feel that we should have to deal with. Speaking for myself, if you get my attention I will address it. If I have to spend an inordinate amount of time babysitting the actions of a few then those few may get a few minutes of "free time". The OTaC server isn't your personal space. It is occupied by many other people who want to come, relax and have a game or three and share a laugh and they don't want to have to put up with the actions of a few who constantly push and bend the rules. This is where admin have to take actions for the best interests of the server. If those actions mean that you are kicked because of your actions, then so be it. You aren't a child, you know better. |
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 HansCommander Posts: 377 |
# Answer: 2 - 2021-03-02 at 7:43 AM
I am now responding to you as a player and not as an admin! Noobville I'm a less than average player myself, I really do not want to play if you or some other " so called gifted players" are killing us constantly. 1 2 3 steps we are dead and especially by the same players all the time. Our server needs population and players like you kill it badly. I play this game since 2008 and love it dearly to give me some time to relax but constantly having scores like mine does not help at all and now is the first time thinking of deleting the game. Now as an admin its sickening having to watch you constantly and personally I'm bored of it. Please refrain from those glitches gaining strongly unfair advantage over others and stop polishing your score by silly constant suicides with granates to polish your score. Players asking me what's wrong with that player and I am lost for answers. And remember we are doing this free of charge in our own spare time to babysit you and others. No it is not a war against you . Just try to be fair to others. |
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 sandman_7Master Sergeant I Location: houston Posts: 98 |
# Answer: 3 - 2021-03-02 at 9:31 AM
You are a regular, you know the rules. When on nightfire you were shooting from one end of the ally to the other, into our spaw. You were called out for it. If you get offended that easily, that's your problem. If you are shooting into spawn from across the map repeatedly you won't be warned, you'll be kicked. |
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| Badat Games Thread author Private First Class II Posts: 15 |
# Answer: 4 - 2021-03-02 at 10:03 AM
Thanks for replies, i'm not great at other people's perspectives. 2021-03-02 at 7:13 AM - Voodoo: Your past history haunts you and you do your dead level best to keep admin attention on you by using glitches in game constantly. I've never been a cheater but trying to avoid being banned on suspicion of cheating has been a little haunting, haha. For the second part, that's not my take - when i find a cool spot i want to show other players, because it's exciting and cool, to my perspective. That's how it was in cod1 and 2, everyone had a ball exploring the maps and nobody called climbing rubble glitching or exploiting. The new (to me) dirty angle on it is still bizarre to me. It's not a ploy to take admin time, guess i'm fishing for other people who think adventure's afoot. Players, not admins. 2021-03-02 at 7:13 AM - Voodoo: LESS invisible walls than castle roof, LESS glitchy cover, and LESS unfair advantage over other players" still gives you an unfair advantage which you fully admit to. Right, i've misspoken here - when i said less invisible walls and glitchy cover, i meant none. None is technically less, lol. I was trying to draw a parallel between the two locations, castle roof and (c), and paint castle roof in a deservedly worse light in comparison. The second location is previously unknown and unfamiliar, but 'controls' the map less, offers no perfect-cover glitch spots, and features no invisible walls. If castle roof doesn't trigger prohibition, this spot should trigger it even less. 2021-03-02 at 7:13 AM - Voodoo: I have not spoken to a single admin that hasn't had issues with your "glitch" habits and none of them are "blinded by rage Second part of my original post was not about the glitching myself unfair advantages for admin attention via spacebar, or the admin reaction to that - i don't have a problem with you putting the power pole off limits, or you in general - you're an excellent boss man. My point there was about communications in the server, especially over mic, and especially about spawn killing and spawn camping. Pretty regularly, i'll find a new bad guy to shoot at, and have an admin instantly on mic telling me 'NOOBVILLE YOU KNOW THAT IS SPAWN, DO IT AGAIN AND YOU WILL BE REMOVED' and similar. I'll say, honestly, 'didn't know it was spawn, srry' and get 'YES YOU DID, DON'T TRY AND ARGUE' etc. You got a few guys that fly off the handle and get loud and unfriendly on the mics, is what i'm saying. It's abrasive as hell and always features something that didn't happen on purpose, stated as intentional, and my apology as argument. And an admin ripping me as if i did it on purpose, while saying i did it on purpose. When i didn't. Like you said, i'm not a child - don't goddamn yell at me, to whom it may concern! Thanks for your 2 bobs, Hans - that perspective makes sense to me, i'm sorry to have decreased your fun. 2021-03-02 at 9:31 AM - sandman_7: You are a regular, you know the rules. When on nightfire you were shooting from one end of the ally to the other, into our spaw. You were called out for it. If you get offended that easily, that's your problem. If you are shooting into spawn from across the map repeatedly you won't be warned, you'll be kicked. It was midway through a map, and i was completely unaware that was a spawn. I don't spawnkill or camp on purpose. Half a dozen of my team and half a dozen of yours were exchanging fire through that ally, and none but me were warned or yelled at. I got 2, TWO, kills there, with a death and a respawn and some time elapsed between them. What the hell? Edit: formatting. And i think i've made myself even more deeply unpopular today, i'm gonna take my sinking feeling somewhere else LOL Last edit by Badat Games at 2021-03-02 at 10:08 AM (1x Edited) |
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| Angus Master Sergeant III Posts: 106 |
# Answer: 5 - 2021-03-02 at 12:42 PM
Well let's start with this. When half of the admins of a particular clan all have the same problem with a specific player, then it's a good bet they are not the problem, the specific player is. All of your blather is just that. If 1 admin states an unfair advantage on any given map, it applies to ALL maps and ALL admins. It's not just the map, it's the "unfair advantage", and you know it. Don't play the martyr. If you like the style of play that you continue to complain about, then a tactical server is not for you . You can either except it or not. It's the unfair advantage that you use and the bending of rules we admins see, that causes players to leave every time you enter the game, and causes admins to focus on you. So in the end, all that is asked for is that players play by the rules, and with the intent of fair play this server strives for. why don't you try to be one of those players instead of continually bending the rules to the limit. Like Bitter has said "play under the radar, and you'll be fine". |
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| Badat Games Thread author Private First Class II Posts: 15 |
# Answer: 6 - 2021-03-02 at 3:10 PM
Sigh.. replying to this one is probably the end of Noobville. Wish i'd sh*t in my hands and clapped instead. 2021-03-02 at 12:42 PM - Angus: When half of the admins of a particular clan all have the same problem with a specific player, then it's a good bet they are not the problem, the specific player is. All of your blather is just that. Look.. About spawnkill rules - there are a few of regulars and tag wearers who i usually can't keep up with. None of these are regularly, and falsely, accused of deliberate spawn camping and threatened with consequences. Most of them camp a little harder than myself, and apologize less after spawnkills. Most of 'the same problem' is me permanently being on my last warning because a small number of people (none of which i've named) have a loooong habit of seeing red when killed, and bailing me up over things that didn't happen. Overall, the warnings and kicks for deliberate spawnkills keep me one whoopsie away from another ban, and put me on the 'out' with players and other admins, as intended. I don't know about this 'half of the admins' you refer to, i do know some people are hostile enough to make sh*t up, and have a downright rude way of yelling when irked. Whomever they might be, i've named none. 2021-03-02 at 12:42 PM - Angus: If 1 admin states an unfair advantage on any given map, it applies to ALL maps and ALL admins. It's not just the map, it's the "unfair advantage", and you know it. If i'm reading this correctly.. the power pole i was told to get off, actually meant any and all unusal places on all maps? That certainly wasn't communicated to me, and i did not 'know it', just like i didn't 'know it was a spawn' recently. And the admins who told me i'd been told not to go to (c) weren't there when i was told not to go to (a), and only (a). I'd started this thread chasing clarification, so i know which spots are in and out, and what criteria is applied. A blanket ban on everything except castle roof gets it done, but has never been suggested, let alone stated. 2021-03-02 at 12:42 PM - Angus: and you know it Sir, with all the respect due.. that is not a factual accusation, as i'm a little.. slow >.< This has gone to hell guys, might as well ban me and nuke the thread. Or ban me and roast what's left of my corpse some more. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 7 - 2021-03-02 at 10:11 PM
Noobville, I have asked you stay off admin radar. I even offered to buy you a new copy of game so you could use a new GUID and profile name to erase your brand recognition. I am not happy that you chose to draw this much attention to yourself in -game and in-forum. I unbanned you since I did not have a hacking video as was my threshhold for ban. I am not reading all of the above. I stopped after first 3 posts in this thread. So as remedial action ..... Let's start with this: You personally are no longer allowed to "needfully jump/fall" in order to get to a spot, unless that spot can be reached without ever having to jump/fall at any time to get there. Yes I want to keep you out of weird spots, that is the point. Other ideas (if the above does not calm things down) I have would be restrict you to: A. Knife only B. Kills-Deaths max of 5 C. Max score of 10 D. All of the above Last edit by BitterSpock at 2021-03-02 at 10:19 PM (2x Edited) |
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| Badat Games Thread author Private First Class II Posts: 15 |
# Answer: 8 - 2021-03-03 at 1:36 AM
Masterful use of bug spray, Bitterspock! *coughs a few times* Can't complain, did it to myself. This is what crapping in your own hands and applauding looks like. Thanks for your peerless diplomacy, and thanks overall guys. GG. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 9 - 2021-03-03 at 5:11 PM
Seriously, stay of the radar and all will be fine |
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| Badat Games Thread author Private First Class II Posts: 15 |
# Answer: 10 - 2021-03-30 at 8:16 AM
Sure will guys =) Big gg |
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