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 1000 FacesStaff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Thread - 2022-04-21 at 2:42 PM
Just kicked me for a camping violation on Cliffside. First, I was not camping. I had 6 kills, all from different locations, and 2 deaths. Second, He was just mad because I had killed him 3x. Totally uncalled for. Kicked me for 3 hours. If he is going to act like that then he shouldn't be an admin. How many times has he been called out for burst running? Yet he is still an admin? Really? Again, my kick was totally uncalled for and should not have happened. He even did a HIST and saw where I had been moving. Simply stated, he was just being a jerk. |
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 Nair0lFMaster of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 1 - 2022-04-21 at 3:45 PM
No one should get kicked for 3 hrs, i dont know how admins have this Information, this is only a reason for players who do it constantly, but first is a kick, next 5 min ,10 min 30 min , and so on, a Admin has to spectate and not using showhist, for Informations, its not accurate. Last edit by Nair0lF at 2022-04-24 at 4:38 PM (1x Edited) |
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| 1000 Faces Thread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 2 - 2022-04-21 at 5:00 PM
Thank you for your reply. As I said, he was just being a jerk. He knew I wasn't camping. He just wasn't happy that I had killed him 3 times so early in the map. I had been moving around, and of my 6 kills to that point none of them were from the same spot. Well, that may not be wholly true as I did get a betty kill at the same time I shot someone for a kill, but you get the point. I know the rules, and I play by them. I just don't appreciate the way he acted. Frankly I don't think someone who is going to act like that should have admin powers. |
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| Nair0lF Master of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 3 - 2022-04-21 at 6:47 PM
We are Humans, Humans make faults, if we do remove Admins because of a wrong descision, we would not have anyone left, maybe he was overacting the Situation, only he can explain what happend. Last edit by Nair0lF at 2022-04-21 at 6:47 PM (1x Edited) |
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 RampantColonel I Posts: 238 |
# Answer: 4 - 2022-04-22 at 6:52 AM
Hello Faces We was on the server with 4 admins and i think you got away good the others had more hours in mind. You made 6 kills from the same place on top,front,backside,next to the rock top of the hill behind the ruins on the map cliffside. Normally i would just indeed give a kick, but as it was you i made it 3 hours for camping. you are the first that complains spawncamping stuff like that and in fact your the spawncamper most of the time you dont move out of spawn and coursing yourself to be a spawn-anchor when other get spawnkilled becouse of your actions. If i recall it right the admins online in TS yesterday: Davide30541 in game seen as _-0-0-_ , Ghost and Angus We all agreed with the punishment. My tip to you is dont camp to much as your coursing others to be spawnkilled and in the end you might as well be spawnkilled becouse of becoming a spawn-anchor. Last edit by Rampant at 2022-04-22 at 6:58 AM (2x Edited) |
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| Angus Master Sergeant III Posts: 106 |
# Answer: 5 - 2022-04-22 at 7:40 AM
I was on, you were camping, you got caught, you know the rules, moving back and forth in the same area is camping, you were kicked for it. lastly, it's not the first time you showed up on the radar. Please follow the rules and then no problem. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 6 - 2022-04-22 at 7:51 AM
What was the players score (kiills and deaths) at the time of the camping kick? |
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| 1000 Faces Thread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 7 - 2022-04-22 at 8:11 AM
2022-04-22 at 6:52 AM - Rampant: Hello Faces We was on the server with 4 admins and i think you got away good the others had more hours in mind. You made 6 kills from the same place on top,front,backside,next to the rock top of the hill behind the ruins on the map cliffside. Normally i would just indeed give a kick, but as it was you i made it 3 hours for camping. you are the first that complains spawncamping stuff like that and in fact your the spawncamper most of the time you dont move out of spawn and coursing yourself to be a spawn-anchor when other get spawnkilled becouse of your actions. If i recall it right the admins online in TS yesterday: Davide30541 in game seen as _-0-0-_ , Ghost and Angus We all agreed with the punishment. My tip to you is dont camp to much as your coursing others to be spawnkilled and in the end you might as well be spawnkilled becouse of becoming a spawn-anchor. I was in that area, yes, but I was moving around. I killed you once while standing on the rocks by the the trail exit, another time I was coming out of the tomb and killed you as you were standing on top of one of the statues, or whatever you want to call it, outside the tomb. The other time I was coming up the hill and killed you as I rounded the rocks. That is not camping. I don't remember who it was, legi maybe, that I shot while heading down the hill from the rocks, that was just before you unceremoniously kicked me without so much as a warning. I never spawn camp. Yes, I call others out for spawn kills when they happen, mostly because I think a lot of times they aren't aware since the bot doesn't always catch them. Just like when we were playing sub pens yesterday and you SK'd me. I let you know just as an FYI. Thought we had a laugh about that in fact. I wasn't doing anything different than a multitude of players, admins included, do as far as play style that map. I know the limits for time and kills from one area and I follow it. |
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| 1000 Faces Thread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 8 - 2022-04-22 at 8:13 AM
2022-04-22 at 7:40 AM - Angus: I was on, you were camping, you got caught, you know the rules, moving back and forth in the same area is camping, you were kicked for it. lastly, it's not the first time you showed up on the radar. Please follow the rules and then no problem. Explain to me how moving around in a broad area is camping. I wasn't doing the three step shuffle like a lot of players do to "avoid" camping. I was moving around the area next to, and above the tomb. I wasn't even there very long due to the fact I had 2 deaths and the map hadn't even been going long. |
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| 1000 Faces Thread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 9 - 2022-04-22 at 8:19 AM
2022-04-22 at 7:51 AM - BitterSpock: What was the players score (kiills and deaths) at the time of the camping kick? I had 6 kills, 2 deaths. If these guys are going to define camping as being in, or moving through a broad area then everyone camps. I did get the majority of my kills near the trail above the tomb, and in the area between the tomb and the trail that leads up to it from the spawn point. That is just my preferred route out of the original USMC spawn location near the waterfall on that map, which to this point in the game had yet to flip as it was early on in the map. I enjoy playing on the server, but some of these guys are overzealous in their approach to certain players, while letting other players do whatever they want because it is their "play style." I don't camp. I know the camping rules and follow them. |
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| 1000 Faces Thread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 10 - 2022-04-22 at 8:52 AM
One more post, then I will drop it. I have a lot of respect for Angus, Ghost, and Bitter so I don't want to prolong a negative discussion. I play the game to relieve stress and have a bit of fun, but when I get kicked for something I did not do it really ticks me off and ruins that enjoyment. If you thought I was camping then why wasn't there a warning, and why didn't someone spec me to see if I was in fact camping and record it for proof? Nobody said a thing to me, then boom....I got kicked, for 3 hours. I'm sure you convinced the other admins I was camping, but I was not. If you think someone is breaking a rule you should warn them, then gather proof. You don't get to be judge, jury, and executioner without facts just because you are an admin. I've been there, done that, and rule one of being an admin, at least in my opinion, is making sure the game is enjoyable for everyone playing. Rule two is, if there is someone causing problems you talk to them/warn them, then if the nefarious activity continues you gather the information needed to prove the wrongdoing, then take action. You failed rule two in this instance. If we are supposed to be moving constantly, then make that a rule. However, at this time that is not the rule so people are allowed to camp up to the time limit, or kill limit, whatever the case may be. Spawn camping excluded of course. I hear all the time when someone is doing that, The Woo for example, that it is just their "play style." Courtyard recently was an example of that. The Woo had multiple kills from a corner below the balcony area, someone complained, it wasn't me, and whoever the admin on at the time was said it was his "play style" and to drop it. Of course The Woo being who he is, he kept returning to that same spot. That, IMO, is pushing the rules way more than being in a broad general area and getting kills. Most of us that play regularly just laugh it off, because The Woo is The Woo and normally ends up dying somewhere around a 3 to 1 ratio, so it is a bit comedic that he camps and thinks it will be successful. I will admit that on certain maps, Cliffside not being one of them as it is too large to camp IMO, I will linger in an area until I have my kills or time expires. Roundhouse is a good example, I like to be in the factory area with the crane outside as it provides a good location for getting kills in multiple directions. Still though, I do not camp in one spot, and move around the area between inside the factory, and where the trains engines are. Hope that makes sense as it is a bit tough to describe the area. Personally I don't consider that camping as it is a big area and I do move around it. 1 kill here, 1 kill there, etc.... That said I do still follow the kill and time limit rules and move out if one of the limits is reached as, IMO, it just isn't wise to stay in any given area too long because the players you have killed know you are there. Again, I will shut up now and just play. I do still believe that you were overzealous in your actions, and you have no proof of camping due to the fact I wasn't camping. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 11 - 2022-04-22 at 9:14 AM
First let me say I was not there so I am not going to say if it was a violation or not by the player, or if it was a protocol violation or not by the admin. The bottom line is "moving around more" prevents user's having to be wrongly booted and admin having to act possibly wrongly about something. So let me give you a 6 slice pizza slice analogy ..... that keeps everyone out of trouble. Every map is a big pizza with 6 slices Interpret the camping rule as: * You should spend no more than 3 minutes or 5 kills in any one slice * Then move to the next slice * Do not return to slice you have visited until you have visited all slices * The middle of the pizza is a circular 7th slice if the map is large. Especially on cliffside, the slices are slice 1: waterfall spawn slice 2: bunker spawn + hill to right slice 3: cliffside area + includes bunker near tunnel slice 4: top area above waterfall slice 5: inside the shrine slice 6: hill that overlooks waterfall spawn slice 7: middle area on other side of shrine wall , i.e. coming from bunker spawn before you go around wall into shrine Those are what I consider the slices since you incur risk of dying when you transition from one to the other. If you never incur this risk, you are pizza slice camping. You should not fear death when transitioning from slice to slice. Visit every slice. There is always more pepperoni on the other slices. Last edit by BitterSpock at 2022-04-22 at 9:19 AM (2x Edited) |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 12 - 2022-04-22 at 9:15 AM
The above is a suggestion, it is not the rule, but it eliminates drama |
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| 1000 Faces Thread author Staff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 13 - 2022-04-22 at 9:29 AM
2022-04-22 at 9:14 AM - BitterSpock: First let me say I was not there so I am not going to say if it was a violation or not by the player, or if it was a protocol violation or not by the admin. The bottom line is "moving around more" prevents user's having to be wrongly booted and admin having to act possibly wrongly about something. So let me give you a 6 slice pizza slice analogy ..... that keeps everyone out of trouble. Every map is a big pizza with 6 slices Interpret the camping rule as: * You should spend no more than 3 minutes or 5 kills in any one slice * Then move to the next slice * Do not return to slice you have visited until you have visited all slices * The middle of the pizza is a circular 7th slice if the map is large. Especially on cliffside, the slices are slice 1: waterfall spawn slice 2: bunker spawn + hill to right slice 3: cliffside area + includes bunker near tunnel slice 4: top area above waterfall slice 5: inside the shrine slice 6: hill that overlooks waterfall spawn slice 7: middle area on other side of shrine wall , i.e. coming from bunker spawn before you go around wall into shrine Those are what I consider the slices since you incur risk of dying when you transition from one to the other. If you never incur this risk, you are pizza slice camping. You should not fear death when transitioning from slice to slice. Visit every slice. There is always more pepperoni on the other slices. Ahh the pizza analogy.love it. So using that, I was in the following "slices" in this order Waterfall spawn - First spawn of game. Moving out when LancerX shot and killed me Waterfall spawn - Killed LancerX as I was leaving spawn just after he had killed me previously Cliffside Area - First killed Rampant while I was standing on the rocks at the end of the trail Leaving area when LancerX kills me again. Spawn again and moved out of spawn and made my way to shrine/tomb Shrine - I had been inside the shrine and as I was leaving I placed a betty then started up the steps, that was the second time I killed Rampant while he was standing on a statue. Someone set off a betty I had placed and died at the same time. Cliffside Area - Killed Rampant as he was coming out of trail as I rounded the two vertical rocks outside it. This is when Rampant did a HIST of me. Cliffside Area - Was moving downhill towards waterfall area to cross and intended to move to bunker area. This is when I shot someone for my final kill, and was then kicked. Last edit by 1000 Faces at 2022-04-22 at 9:35 AM (2x Edited) |
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| Nair0lF Master of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 14 - 2022-04-22 at 11:04 AM
There is no rule what says, you don't are allowed to return to the same spot, we had this rule and remove it a long Time ago. |
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| Rampant Colonel I Posts: 238 |
# Answer: 15 - 2022-04-22 at 2:08 PM
He had 6 kills in a row while being on/next /behind that rock and we checked it using the command !hist not killed in between i even checked using shift+~ to see who he had killed and that also told me that hed been there the whole time If he had returned after being killed he had he had not been kicked by me, im aware that we on OTaC dont use the rule of returning to the same spot over and over to be seen as camping, but having a killstreak of 6 while being on that same rock all the time is considered camping. Hes a regular that complains about camping a lot so hes well aware of the camping rule. Last edit by Rampant at 2022-04-22 at 2:10 PM (1x Edited) |
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| H8W8IN 2nd Lieutenant II Posts: 144 |
# Answer: 16 - 2022-04-22 at 2:17 PM
Here is another way to look at camping. I am going to use Castle as an example. Using Field of Fire analogy from my military days You have a player that has the ability to get on the roof in the original Imperial Army spawn. Said player moves to the side to watch the left side of the map from the roof (1 Field of Fire) Said play moves from that location say still on the roof, but still watching that same field of fire, I call that camping and would kick you. Now said player is still on the roof and moves to watch the upstairs on the right side of the map/roof. Basically same location, but different filed of fire. That would not be considered camping. The short and sweet of it, if you move 3 feet, 10 feet whatever and you are still watching the same field of fire, that is camping and I will kick you for it. That being said, Cliffside is a bad map for camping, but it is also bad because if people sit back on top of the waterfall on either side it spawn traps that team. I know of someone that is no longer with us that if you went up there and you just got there and were not camping at all, you got kicked, no questions asked. I do spectate when people are accused of camping, if they get caught, I kick them. I am one of the ones that will give you 3 hours for camping. My reasoning, if I am taking 3 minutes out of my gameplay time to spectate someone that eventually breaks the rules, you are going to feel the pain and have some time to think about it. |
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| Nair0lF Master of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 17 - 2022-04-22 at 4:09 PM
It was not against you what you say Rampant  it was meant to Bitter his answer, but like he said right after the first post, its not a rule for me camping is not my way to play, i play aggressiv allways, no camping, thats why i recieve alot of death and dont have to worries about my KD.
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| Nair0lF Master of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 18 - 2022-04-22 at 4:16 PM
Its no need and not the way we do kick players, they have to known as abuse camping player,do it over and over again , to give someone 3 hrs break, but even for this, i would not use 3 hrs , 20 min is what o would use for someone, who is known for rule breaking. |
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| Rampant Colonel I Posts: 238 |
# Answer: 19 - 2022-04-22 at 5:24 PM
Well his 3 hours are way past now and hes been able to spill it out here. He will get the kick for 20 min next time he does it if i catch him and i hope for him its me that does it. Like i said the other admins was talking about 24 hours and more. Faces Plz understand that if you complain about spawncamp and spawnkillers make sure you don't anchor the spawns by camping, teammates will spawn around your area and spawnkills will happen. Have fun and see you in the server soon. |
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| H8W8IN 2nd Lieutenant II Posts: 144 |
# Answer: 20 - 2022-04-22 at 5:46 PM
I will stick by my 3 hour kick. Like I said, if I am taking my time out of my game play to spectate for camping I will give you 3 hours. Easy thing is they just follow the rules and we don't have to worry about it. |
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