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 eli9019Private I Posts: 2 |
# Thread - 2022-09-13 at 1:06 PM
I'm hoping we can have a discussion regarding ruleset changes during the game. There have been a number of instances where the ruleset gets changed for certain maps as a response to camping. I understand the motivation but often, these changes have had negative response by the players on the server. Not all ruleset changes have this affect on the players but there are some problematic ones that I've seen (IMO of course). - Ruleset change mid-game, resulting in players getting kicked without warning - Shotgun for a very large map (seelow) - Knife only When these changes happen, players just drop off the game. It doesn't really hurt the campers, it hurts the ones who want to play. I know its a pain to warn and kick the campers but I don't know why losing 3/4 of the players is a better outcome. Campers suck but I'd rather have a handful of them than to have no one to play with. Not all ruleset changes are bad, it is nice to get different games every now and then, but when they are done to combat rule breakers, I feel it leads to more harm than good. If wonder if others are as frustrated as I am when this happens. PS. If we are going to continuously skip/modify Seelow, can it just be removed from the rotation? |
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 1000 FacesStaff Sergeant I Posts: 59 |
# Answer: 1 - 2022-09-13 at 1:41 PM
Seelow is a server killer as a sniper map. If it stays in the rotation it needs to be normal weapons. I never liked the idea of it being a sniper map with camping allowed. Incredibly boring setup like that. Station as a pistol map can be fun with the right mix of players, but it seems to be a bit of a server killer as well. Maybe it needs to go. I like it, but many do not. The only other change I would like to see is to make Courtyard a shotty map all the time. We have Outskirts as a permanent bolt map, we need a permanent shotty map and IMO Courtyard would be perfect for that. As a normal weapons map it suffers from guys camping at the back on either side and just firing across map constantly. It also sucks with all the spawn killing in the beginning since as soon as it starts each side starts firing into the other's spawn. |
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| legi_istra Commander Posts: 326 |
# Answer: 2 - 2022-09-13 at 2:41 PM
I put a shoty on seelow map for make a players to move and then pleyers wish to skip the map . then skip and shoty stay on same map then changed to normal ! to mauh camping players bacause we changed sometime to shoty/knife just for make campers to move !!! |
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 ANZAC351Colonel II  Location: On your six Posts: 240 |
# Answer: 3 - 2022-09-13 at 11:28 PM
Changing ruleset mid game is poor form, losing players as a result. Ideally, the ruleset should be made before the new map is loaded, or wait until the next map is due. |
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| Gen-Kenobi Sergeant Posts: 37 |
# Answer: 4 - 2022-09-14 at 10:01 AM
Personally i love the camping map. I get that some people dont but its only 1 map while we play normally every other time. So the fact that the rules get changed because they dont want to play 1 map is what irritates me. If the fact that you dont like campers is the problem then come back next map. its what most admins do because people do want to play the sniper map. |
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 TheEarlyBirdLt. Colonel  Location: The Great Nest Posts: 212 |
# Answer: 5 - 2022-09-14 at 10:51 AM
I have a problem with being threatened with a change to knife only when too many people are camping. Not breaking the camping rule in large amount of cases. I understand that it's hard to deal with babysitting campers, and that admin may not like campers but camping is a playstyle for some, and they respect the camping rule (with an obvious exception of a couple of people I won't mention) and turning to knife only as a punishment decimates the server population. ------------------ 
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2904 |
# Answer: 6 - 2022-09-14 at 12:13 PM
I have a problem with people having problems with things. The only time I have changed the ruleset mid game was in response to Downfall where one team got trapped in spawn at the lower steps. the other team could not push in, the trapped team could not push out. So you switch it to knife, or you rotate to the next map. I would do it different, but Legi was the authority on duty at the time. Last edit by BitterSpock at 2022-09-14 at 12:15 PM (1x Edited) |
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 HansCommander Posts: 377 |
# Answer: 7 - 2022-09-15 at 8:53 AM
I got no issues with campers. I hunt them down and drop a granate on those. get killed about 10 times before manage it,but it is fun. But if admins are camping badly is another matter. I got accused of camping many times but honestly don't stay a;ive that long. Aforementioned Legi was right to do it as nobody listens to him. They did after him changing the gamestyle. Good on you as you made a decission! |
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