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 BitterSpockMaster of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 21 - 2017-07-14 at 9:39 PM
I will respond ..... it will take some time to document .... please be patient. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 22 - 2017-07-14 at 10:57 PM
The ban was placed for a couple of reasons..... they are: 1. Honda provided videos of a few maps and believed you may have a wall hack 2. I reviewed the videos and SAW several instances where I believed you may be using a wall hack 3. To cross reference, I looked up your player stats and found you played ~275 matches on our server. The first ~225 matches you where quite often negative with more kills than deaths or simply low scoring, especially very few headshots ever. That at ~match 226+ yuo all of a sudden starting scoring very well instantaneously guid: 0541928752 kills: 001 deaths: 008 diff: -7 streak: 001 headshots: 000 epoch: 01498700123 rank: 34 map: mp_downfall guid: 0541928752 kills: 011 deaths: 012 diff: -1 streak: 004 headshots: 002 epoch: 01498700935 rank: 15 map: mp_drum guid: 0541928752 kills: 013 deaths: 013 diff: 000 streak: 004 headshots: 002 epoch: 01498701665 rank: 16 map: mp_vodka guid: 0541928752 kills: 004 deaths: 010 diff: -6 streak: 002 headshots: 000 epoch: 01498702484 rank: 30 map: mp_courtyard guid: 0541928752 kills: 005 deaths: 012 diff: -7 streak: 002 headshots: 001 epoch: 01498703103 rank: 28 map: mp_kneedeep guid: 0541928752 kills: 014 deaths: 011 diff: 003 streak: 003 headshots: 000 epoch: 01498738910 rank: 16 map: mp_courtyard guid: 0541928752 kills: 007 deaths: 011 diff: -4 streak: 003 headshots: 002 epoch: 01498739967 rank: 17 map: mp_dome guid: 0541928752 kills: 002 deaths: 003 diff: -1 streak: 001 headshots: 000 epoch: 01498781673 rank: 31 map: mp_docks guid: 0541928752 kills: 008 deaths: 011 diff: -3 streak: 002 headshots: 000 epoch: 01498783712 rank: 21 map: mp_suburban guid: 0541928752 kills: 002 deaths: 011 diff: -9 streak: 001 headshots: 000 epoch: 01498855918 rank: 34 map: mp_docks guid: 0541928752 kills: 002 deaths: 013 diff: -11 streak: 001 headshots: 000 epoch: 01498856590 rank: 33 map: mp_shrine guid: 0541928752 kills: 002 deaths: 008 diff: -6 streak: 002 headshots: 000 epoch: 01498872022 rank: 32 map: mp_roundhouse guid: 0541928752 kills: 013 deaths: 022 diff: -9 streak: 003 headshots: 001 epoch: 01499396155 rank: 14 map: mp_hangar guid: 0541928752 kills: 004 deaths: 013 diff: -9 streak: 001 headshots: 001 epoch: 01499397313 rank: 21 map: mp_docks guid: 0541928752 kills: 022 deaths: 013 diff: 009 streak: 006 headshots: 002 epoch: 01499398309 rank: 08 map: mp_shrine guid: 0541928752 kills: 004 deaths: 006 diff: -2 streak: 001 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499399407 rank: 25 map: mp_roundhouse guid: 0541928752 kills: 003 deaths: 005 diff: -2 streak: 002 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499437703 rank: 19 map: mp_vodka guid: 0541928752 kills: 011 deaths: 009 diff: 002 streak: 005 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499456148 rank: 19 map: mp_kneedeep guid: 0541928752 kills: 005 deaths: 005 diff: 000 streak: 005 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499457185 rank: 27 map: mp_seelow guid: 0541928752 kills: 004 deaths: 000 diff: 004 streak: 004 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499473319 rank: 20 map: mp_kneedeep guid: 0541928752 kills: 013 deaths: 013 diff: 000 streak: 003 headshots: 006 epoch: 01499474559 rank: 16 map: mp_stalingrad guid: 0541928752 kills: 005 deaths: 005 diff: 000 streak: 003 headshots: 005 epoch: 01499475427 rank: 20 map: mp_nachtfeuer guid: 0541928752 kills: 008 deaths: 012 diff: -4 streak: 004 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499546276 rank: 22 map: mp_outskirts <start playing better from this point on and with a substantial increase in headshots> guid: 0541928752 kills: 019 deaths: 011 diff: 008 streak: 004 headshots: 011 epoch: 01499548437 rank: 06 map: mp_suburban guid: 0541928752 kills: 020 deaths: 010 diff: 010 streak: 005 headshots: 008 epoch: 01499549415 rank: 07 map: mp_airfield guid: 0541928752 kills: 013 deaths: 006 diff: 007 streak: 005 headshots: 005 epoch: 01499556371 rank: 12 map: mp_courtyard guid: 0541928752 kills: 018 deaths: 006 diff: 012 streak: 005 headshots: 007 epoch: 01499556908 rank: 05 map: mp_kneedeep guid: 0541928752 kills: 008 deaths: 014 diff: -6 streak: 002 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499557779 rank: 25 map: mp_downfall guid: 0541928752 kills: 001 deaths: 004 diff: -3 streak: 001 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499558697 rank: 34 map: mp_stalingrad guid: 0541928752 kills: 002 deaths: 005 diff: -3 streak: 002 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499567666 rank: 26 map: mp_docks guid: 0541928752 kills: 018 deaths: 012 diff: 006 streak: 005 headshots: 001 epoch: 01499568528 rank: 07 map: mp_shrine guid: 0541928752 kills: 026 deaths: 011 diff: 015 streak: 006 headshots: 003 epoch: 01499569393 rank: 05 map: mp_roundhouse guid: 0541928752 kills: 027 deaths: 009 diff: 018 streak: 009 headshots: 001 epoch: 01499570435 rank: 02 map: mp_drum guid: 0541928752 kills: 015 deaths: 008 diff: 007 streak: 011 headshots: 005 epoch: 01499571405 rank: 11 map: mp_vodka guid: 0541928752 kills: 020 deaths: 014 diff: 006 streak: 009 headshots: 002 epoch: 01499636321 rank: 07 map: mp_castle guid: 0541928752 kills: 007 deaths: 008 diff: -1 streak: 004 headshots: 002 epoch: 01499650183 rank: 21 map: mp_outskirts guid: 0541928752 kills: 022 deaths: 010 diff: 012 streak: 007 headshots: 008 epoch: 01499651277 rank: 05 map: mp_castle guid: 0541928752 kills: 029 deaths: 008 diff: 021 streak: 016 headshots: 003 epoch: 01499652120 rank: 01 map: mp_suburban guid: 0541928752 kills: 018 deaths: 012 diff: 006 streak: 005 headshots: 004 epoch: 01499652983 rank: 09 map: mp_airfield guid: 0541928752 kills: 032 deaths: 027 diff: 005 streak: 005 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499653953 rank: 10 map: mp_asylum guid: 0541928752 kills: 030 deaths: 014 diff: 016 streak: 008 headshots: 006 epoch: 01499654988 rank: 03 map: mp_hangar guid: 0541928752 kills: 029 deaths: 021 diff: 008 streak: 007 headshots: 004 epoch: 01499655837 rank: 03 map: mp_seelow guid: 0541928752 kills: 027 deaths: 012 diff: 015 streak: 011 headshots: 002 epoch: 01499657073 rank: 03 map: mp_downfall guid: 0541928752 kills: 008 deaths: 012 diff: -4 streak: 003 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499688728 rank: 08 map: mp_courtyard guid: 0541928752 kills: 032 deaths: 019 diff: 013 streak: 005 headshots: 002 epoch: 01499689971 rank: 01 map: mp_kneedeep guid: 0541928752 kills: 010 deaths: 015 diff: -5 streak: 004 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499691207 rank: 14 map: mp_downfall <Next match is a extremely high score, inconsistent with normal gameplay> guid: 0541928752 kills: 053 deaths: 012 diff: 041 streak: 019 headshots: 005 epoch: 01499693637 rank: 01 map: mp_nachtfeuer Here is the streaks and kills per minute: history=..*+.+.+.+++++++++++++++++++..+++..++++++++ ++.+++.+.+++++++++++++ rate=..12.9733.4631436... 9 kills per minute, then 7 kills per minute. That may indicate a hack..... guid: 0541928752 kills: 003 deaths: 003 diff: 000 streak: 003 headshots: 002 epoch: 01499694796 rank: 20 map: mp_outskirts guid: 0541928752 kills: 022 deaths: 009 diff: 013 streak: 010 headshots: 005 epoch: 01499697046 rank: 04 map: mp_suburban guid: 0541928752 kills: 025 deaths: 013 diff: 012 streak: 010 headshots: 005 epoch: 01499697812 rank: 05 map: mp_airfield guid: 0541928752 kills: 012 deaths: 012 diff: 000 streak: 003 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499698815 rank: 16 map: mp_asylum guid: 0541928752 kills: 012 deaths: 006 diff: 006 streak: 004 headshots: 001 epoch: 01499728379 rank: 15 map: mp_courtyard guid: 0541928752 kills: 028 deaths: 014 diff: 014 streak: 007 headshots: 002 epoch: 01499729302 rank: 01 map: mp_kneedeep guid: 0541928752 kills: 025 deaths: 014 diff: 011 streak: 008 headshots: 001 epoch: 01499730222 rank: 03 map: mp_kwai guid: 0541928752 kills: 018 deaths: 007 diff: 011 streak: 006 headshots: 002 epoch: 01499805865 rank: 07 map: mp_castle guid: 0541928752 kills: 027 deaths: 009 diff: 018 streak: 006 headshots: 003 epoch: 01499806703 rank: 01 map: mp_suburban guid: 0541928752 kills: 025 deaths: 012 diff: 013 streak: 005 headshots: 001 epoch: 01499807445 rank: 03 map: mp_airfield guid: 0541928752 kills: 004 deaths: 002 diff: 002 streak: 004 headshots: 000 epoch: 01499822845 rank: 20 map: mp_downfall guid: 0541928752 kills: 020 deaths: 015 diff: 005 streak: 007 headshots: 001 epoch: 01499900627 rank: 07 map: mp_roundhouse guid: 0541928752 kills: 031 deaths: 021 diff: 010 streak: 006 headshots: 003 epoch: 01499901867 rank: 01 map: mp_drum guid: 0541928752 kills: 029 deaths: 022 diff: 007 streak: 006 headshots: 003 epoch: 01499903109 rank: 03 map: mp_vodka guid: 0541928752 kills: 044 deaths: 026 diff: 018 streak: 007 headshots: 005 epoch: 01499904350 rank: 02 map: mp_courtyard guid: 0541928752 kills: 011 deaths: 003 diff: 008 streak: 005 headshots: 001 epoch: 01499905593 rank: 12 map: mp_kneedeep guid: 0541928752 kills: 005 deaths: 005 diff: 000 streak: 002 headshots: 001 epoch: 01499907925 rank: 25 map: mp_dome The forum only lets me put so much in one post ... continued in next post..... Last edit by BitterSpock at 2017-07-14 at 11:37 PM (1x Edited) |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 23 - 2017-07-14 at 11:31 PM
Ok so I reviewed the videos again today, from the LLIB3 (kneedeep) demo, my orginal points of contention were the very first two targets. You seemed fixated on a spot prior to targets becoming visible. I cannot explain that, as I only have the demo to go from I see no reason for you to fixated on the spots prior. The targets later appeared you killed one. next you entered the hut and were spamming the wall in the house across the stream. The orginal issue was "why" . Today upon review briefly saw a tracer come from the building BEFORE you entered the hut, and then I also had my sound WAY up and I heard the enemy soldier yelling from that direction. So at that point the wall spamming looked justified IMO. Whereas prior it appeared you had a target consistent with a person/persons who was targetable but simply out of range. The other issue I had was later in the kneedeep demo you crossed the stream went up the hill to the concrete structure and it was suspicious for you to suddenly stop advancing, turn around drop prone take aim at the instant and enemy came around the corner. Today I say the first time you came through the doorway you took aim at a player moving to the right who you did not kill., later you came back through the doorway and shot an emerging player from the barrel (prior to turning around). So I could believe the you assumed the the first player that you did not kill must be coming around the corner eventually and it is coincidence that you were ready precisely in time, if it had taken longer for the player to appear it would not have looked so suspicious. Form the other video I had a number of places that did not hold up if you only review what you SAW, but today reviewing I focused on what I HEARD and was able to explain most instances. So based on that I am left with two videos with only a couple weird shots which do not support the smoking gun criteria required to uphold a ban. I am also left conflicted with how to account for the distinct increase in skill that has appeared in later matches inconsisted with your prior skill level. I don't have videos for those matches so all I have is speculation. One possible explanation is that you may be camping or spawn camping (at least for the 53 kills match). Or maybe a lucky dog kill streak. In any case it is an anomaly. I also cannot account for the 11 headshots in your first GOOD match. Typically that is consistent with a hacker who turns on a hack for the first time, gets a bunch of headshots, then adjusts controls so it not so obvious. But again it also could be consistent with camping a spot where a head pops up over a wall and never moving. So based on today's review I am going to remove the ban and offer my sincere apology based on the videos that were provided. There are still some issues with the data that are not consistent with prior skill, but again perhaps it is camping not hacking or maybe the other players where just all noobs. Because I cannot conclusively say, we must err on the side of giving you the benefit of the doubt. Please keep in mind that we do try to be thorough, and get it right all the time, but occasionally we may fall short of that goal. Please accept my apologies. The ban is lifted. I suggest perhaps shooting players you see to avoid confusion/suspicion and camping less it that is what is happening. Last edit by BitterSpock at 2017-07-14 at 11:42 PM (1x Edited) |
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| honda BoardMod Posts: 495 |
# Answer: 24 - 2017-07-15 at 1:05 AM
But any giving time during the game play if I ask him to record his game while he is playing he need to comply right the way and I want demo video of that time not later. I still believe he hacking. like I say again and again if I get shot by hack shot I know right the way ------------------ 
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 25 - 2017-07-15 at 7:03 AM
Well there is certainly a lot of unexplained new skill. All I am saying is that if I am using the videos provided the majority of suspicious instances have possible plausible explanations, not proving hacking but also not disproving it. So in the absence of concrete footage I unbanned him. Perhaps he should just record all of his gameplay for a while. |
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 LLibreckut1Private First Class I Posts: 11 |
# Answer: 26 - 2017-07-15 at 3:39 PM
I have been playing on a different server, but when I play on otac I will use a numerical system plus the date and the name of the map in order to organize the collection of demo videos for ease of access and chronological filing. For example, if I play today (7/15), and the first round I play on is Cliffside, I will name the video 715_001_cliffside.. if the second round played is on Nightfall, I will name that demo 002_nightfall, and so on. That way, if honda requests a demo from a specific round, I could find the respective demo file rather quickly as to not sketchily take a while to find the footage. Thanks for at least considering the removal of the permaban placed on my IP, and kudos for going through with it even though the statistical data still leaves some questions to be answered. I appreciate it. With that said I am going to (obviously) refrain from applying for clan membership and I more than likely will not be joining TS unless summoned by Spock, Honda or bigMack. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 27 - 2017-07-16 at 8:13 AM
It would be easier for you and preferred by us if when you played, you just started a recording that had all the maps in one recording, and you can datestamp that name.... Typically in this situation Honda has asked that the player in question play 3 consecutive games and make one contiguous demo of same. I don't care if it is more than that in the same video. We have the ability to fast-forward during playback. |
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| LLibreckut1 Private First Class I Posts: 11 |
# Answer: 28 - 2017-07-16 at 9:19 PM
i will try Last edit by LLibreckut1 at 2017-07-16 at 9:21 PM (1x Edited) |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 29 - 2017-07-19 at 8:40 AM
Hmmm, Since the unban you have played 3 matches ..... Your skills seemed to have disappeared. I can think of only one plausible and likely explanation for this.... guid: 0541928752 kills: 000 deaths: 003 diff: -3 streak: 000 headshots: 000 epoch: 01454864987 rank: 36 map: mp_nachtfeuer aliases: LLibreckut guid: 0541928752 kills: 001 deaths: 007 diff: -6 streak: 001 headshots: 000 epoch: 01454954265 rank: 34 map: mp_downfall aliases: LLibreckut guid: 0541928752 kills: 002 deaths: 010 diff: -8 streak: 002 headshots: 000 epoch: 01454955208 rank: 34 map: mp_seelow aliases: LLibreckut |
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 Nair0lFMaster of Time and Space Location: Bad Gandersheim Posts: 1516 |
# Answer: 30 - 2017-07-19 at 1:14 PM
He only played some Minutes? |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 31 - 2017-07-19 at 3:23 PM
don't know, he has lots of matches like that |
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| LLibreckut1 Private First Class I Posts: 11 |
# Answer: 32 - 2017-07-21 at 11:51 AM
I wasn't trying -- if you think I'm bad enough to go 0-3, 1-7, 1-10 etc then ok fine, have it your way! Those are my least favorite maps alongside SubPens and Cliffside. I could have trolled those maps with my bazooka like I have been known to do in the past. To further make my point, the very reason why I was designated as a troll in the first place was because I walked around those specific maps only aiming for bazooka kills, which subsequently resulted in me flooding the text chat due to an argument with an admin about "taking the game seriously" and "not ruining the fun for others." I made it clear from the get-go that I was not going to play on this server as I had in the past. When I do choose to connect to the otac server, I am merely playing for fun, as I no longer have intentions of being a part of this community, which I also articulated from the get-go. Basically, I have to go 8-14 in matches to avoid claims that I'm ruining fun for others. If I bazooka-whore, I'm a troll; when I play sweaty, I'm a hack and a cheat. I receive flak on either end of the spectrum of accomplishment. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 33 - 2017-07-21 at 4:04 PM
Well, you are entitled to your opinion. I have a plethora of data that shows for hundreds of matches you have terrible scores, then instantly you have good scores and a couple unbelievable scores. That is all with the absence of ban videos. Add to that the demo footage that implicates you as hacking and whether it is conclusive or not is subjective. You were unbanned so that we could observe one of the following: A. You record your gameplay and we observe no hacks and we see that you still have good scores - conclusion: you do not need hacks to achieve good scores, your skills have actually improved. B. You record your gameplay and we observe conclusive hacks along with good scores - conclusion: you are hacking C: You are unable to achieve good scores - conclusion: Your good scores are only achievable with hacks, you were hacking before I was (we were) confident that the preponderance of evidence was consistent with hacking. But as I said "conclusive" is subjective so I wanted to be open-minded to the possibility that you might not be hacking and provide you with the opportunity to prove same, so I unbanned you, hoping you would take steps to clear your name. So far absent any effort on your part I only have 3 lack luster matches since the unban, which supports C above (you were hacking). I have put in many many hours to analyze and document this so that what is presented is tenable. But this is where effort on my part ends. Effort on your part should be you playing your best, recording yourself, on maps you like, and providing that to us, at which point we will either ban you or apologize profusely. Absent that effort on your part, I will assume C above and we can re-instate the ban and part ways. If you don't really care either way, then enjoy life and we will part ways and we will simply re-instate the ban using the last 3 matches to support C above. Ball is in your court. |
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| LLibreckut1 Private First Class I Posts: 11 |
# Answer: 34 - 2017-07-21 at 5:30 PM
Why are we back to claiming that the demo videos implicate me as hacking? o.0 |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 35 - 2017-07-21 at 7:04 PM
Why are you unwilling to record a few games to prove you have the skill that you claim to have without hacks? Shouldn't be a problem right? |
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| LLibreckut1 Private First Class I Posts: 11 |
# Answer: 36 - 2017-08-20 at 8:43 PM
Apparently the ban has been reinstated... |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 37 - 2017-08-21 at 3:05 PM
Yes, I left you unbanned for a long while then you vanished, so I figured you would speak up, as you just did. At the point you want to record 3 consecutive maps in one demo, let me know ... I can unban you. We re-instated it to ensure you understood that the demos are not optional. Catch me on TeamSpeak when ready if you wish to pursue this. Also you should pick your best maps for one of the 3 (I can put on any map you need) and use your best weapon and play the best you can. If you "not really try" that will support the hacking conclusion. |
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| LLibreckut1 Private First Class I Posts: 11 |
# Answer: 38 - 2017-09-19 at 3:18 PM
Bitter I haven't been able to catch you on TS. I was recording demos of all of my matches, yet was never asked to send/upload them anywhere. The agreement we had was that I would record all of my games and that if you or Honda had a bone to pick with me regarding a specific round, I would provide the demo video containing footage of that round. |
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