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# Thread - 2016-10-09 at 4:42 AM
Every time I am ingame with him and the staff are not online he constantly insults me and keeps accusing me of cheating even though you your selves have cleared my name, he still accuses me of cheating on every single kill I make against him and continues to insult me in various ways. This has been going on for the better part of two weeks now. Possibly more, if you check his chat logs where he references me directly for example you'll see what I am talking about. I would appreciate if this matter is looked into as it is interfering with my enjoyment of this server. |
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 BluePhoenixCommander  Posts: 385 |
# Answer: 1 - 2016-10-09 at 11:07 AM
It would be helpful to include the date and time of incidents. If it is in text chat we can find it. |
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| Corporal I Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 2 - 2016-10-09 at 2:52 PM
roughly speaking its close to when I made this report. Can't remember the exact time but his chat should be within an hour or two of this report. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space  Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 3 - 2016-10-09 at 5:33 PM
InigoMontoya, per your request I have reviewed the logs. Interesting aspects are captured below..... [20161009-04:58:45][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: Enough of that stupid SMG [20161009-04:58:50][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: No penetration power [20161009-04:59:10][mp_docks]-Dune-: good for small maps though [20161009-04:59:12][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: Thats better [20161009-04:59:21][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: Not when that small map is nothing but concrete walls. [20161009-04:59:26][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: Too much head glitching [20161009-04:59:40][mp_docks]-Dune-: yea if u can't get close [20161009-04:59:56][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: With the Browning, I can be close or far. [20161009-05:00:13][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: Only difference is it can actually shoot through walls [20161009-05:00:23][mp_docks]-Dune-: close against an smg, i dunoo ... [20161009-05:00:29][mp_docks]_-_-Apu-_-_ : and see thru them too [20161009-05:01:14][mp_docks]GtownODG: mega stop run pls [20161009-05:02:04][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: Oh, yeah. Apu wasnt it you or your alt account Noobville that was attempting to glitch on this server with your buddy? [20161009-05:02:32][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: Yes, yes it was. [20161009-05:05:31][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: Mmmm [20161009-05:05:39][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: Smells like some good ol home cooking [20161009-05:05:41][mp_docks]_-_-Apu-_-_ : NICE PREFIRE INIGO, [20161009-05:05:54][mp_docks]lnigoMontoy a: That wasnt a prefire, it was a bonfire. [20161009-05:05:59][mp_docks]_-_-Apu-_-_ : you was fireing befor we were vissable [20161009-05:17:46][mp_shrine]_-_-Apu-_- _: inigo, stop looking thru textures To summarize, similar to the demo which I recorded , you announced that you are switching to a browning, and preparing to shoot through walls. After that you exhibited behavior that left some regulars feeling you are wall hacking. This is similar to the experience I had when I recorded the demo for which you were banned for wallhacking. [20161009-05:18:28][mp_shrine]_-_-Apu-_- _: sorry [20161009-05:18:34][mp_shrine]_-_-Apu-_- _: thought was smoke [20161009-05:19:22][mp_shrine]_-_-Apu-_- _: ns [20161009-05:21:10][mp_shrine]lnigoMonto ya: Considdering about 3 quarters of your team has never made an effort to leave your spawn area since the match started [20161009-05:22:13][mp_shrine]_-_-Apu-_- _: inigo shh [20161009-05:23:02][mp_shrine]lnigoMonto ya: Well now im going to have to start using rockets only next match anyways [20161009-05:23:14][mp_shrine]_-_-Apu-_- _: why [20161009-05:23:20][mp_shrine]lnigoMonto ya: Since it wants to punish me for getting close to 40+ kills the last 4 maps [20161009-05:23:26][mp_shrine]lnigoMonto ya: Or close to 40. Above you approach the rule #10 kick and complain about it. [20161009-05:23:34][mp_shrine]lnigoMonto ya: Since apparently good players get punished here [20161009-05:23:39][mp_shrine]_-_-Apu-_- _: well with you ''skill'' not suprised [20161009-05:23:58][mp_shrine]_-_-Apu-_- _: inigo begone [20161009-05:24:04][mp_shrine]larrythorn ee: gg [20161009-05:24:13][mp_shrine]_-_-Apu-_- _: you are a scurge [20161009-05:24:47][mp_roundhouse]lnigoM ontoya: See, Apu. The thing is. You were actually caught trying to cheat on here by getting into glitch spots. The above statement is untrue..... That involved SoberDash, not Apu [20161009-05:25:12][mp_roundhouse]_-_-Ap u-_-_: press, spec inigo Later we find you breaking the pistol rule..... [20161009-05:30:13][mp_roundhouse]larryt hornee: inigo no pistol outside [20161009-05:30:18][mp_roundhouse]lnigoM ontoya: Im not firing it. [20161009-05:30:22][mp_roundhouse]lnigoM ontoya: Im using it to travel [20161009-05:31:48][mp_roundhouse][OTaC] legi_istra: ^3Pistol ONLY indoors and under the same roof as your target! [20161009-05:31:49][mp_roundhouse][OTaC] legi_istra: ^3Pistol ONLY indoors and under the same roof as your target! [20161009-05:32:05][mp_roundhouse]lnigoM ontoya: We can still travel with the pistols as long as we dont use them right? [20161009-05:32:13][mp_roundhouse]pressb utton: no [20161009-05:32:21][mp_roundhouse]pressb utton: crouch [20161009-05:32:38][mp_roundhouse]lnigoM ontoya: you can move standing as long as sights are up. [20161009-05:32:53][mp_roundhouse]pressb utton: correct, sights [20161009-05:33:54][mp_roundhouse]lnigoM ontoya: Im not firing the pistol [20161009-05:34:13][mp_roundhouse]lnigoM ontoya: Only carrying it. IM well aware that I cant fire it outside at people The pistol rule is: you cannot have a pistol in your hands outside unless one of the following is true: 1. you are out of ammo in primary (completely not just magazine) and you have announced "out of ammo" 2. you are stopping to swap the pistol for a weapon on the ground. Anyway, your gameplay continues to be suspicious as it pertains to wallhacking. As you are now a "high maintenance" player and Apu, and many other players feel you are hacking we now have an issue. If other players feel you are hacking it has the same effect on server population as if you are hacking. So we need to work on "perception". So I think it would be best for all involved if we limit your use in a few ways. I don't want to see you wall spamming anymore, shoot at players you see first. If they go behind a wall after you see them, that is okay to shoot them through a wall. i.e. use the "confirmed target" rule from the 10th server. Also, you are not allowed to use any heavy machine gun (including the browning, mg42) anymore or the STG44. The final list will be determined later. That is your prescription. As for Apu's behavior, his suspicions are warranted, and your response wrongfully called him out. I will however speak to him to not stir the pot, and complain less. Last edit by BitterSpock at 2016-10-09 at 5:48 PM (3x Edited) |
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| Corporal I Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 4 - 2016-10-09 at 6:32 PM
I wallspam when I suspect there are multiple fighting from a building. I.e. ive been shot from it, I see others shooting up there themselves I observe gunfire from it. Heck Apu also wallspams just as much as I do. Why is he not being punished for wallspamming too? Normally you would merely limit the use of a particular weapon type to say 25 or 20 kills. So why completely forbid my usage of a particular weapon type instantly when a player like flankenstein is still allowed to use his guns to their fullest. I do shoot when I can confirm a target or multiple are in fact in a room or building. And I was told that we can have the pistol out so as long as we dont actually use it. I have been told different things by different sources with pistols and their use. Apu and his suspicions dont feel warranted and I feel them to be harassing. You your self have recorded my gameplay. I feel that this prescription as you call it is unfair and over the top compared to what other people of equal gameplay to me get since they usually just get told to use it to 25 or 20 kills as opposed to having an entire category banned from their use. I am just going to be speaking with honda on this subject as I feel you have a bias against me. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 5 - 2016-10-09 at 8:12 PM
I am sorry if you feel bias, I am usually fair to note when someone points fingers at others that no fingers should be pointing at them as well. So I am sorry if my response was not the one you are looking for. You state the problem is that Apu is calling you out. But we are seeing the problem as "Why are numerous people of the opinion that you are wall hacking" Anyway..... We custom tailor restrictions on players as the need arises. We have some players that have to switch to a bolt at 25 kills and maintain a Kills-deaths limit of 25. We have others that have switch at 20 and a 20 K-D. We have some that cant use and STG above 15 kills, others have to ALWAYS use a bolt. I am not singling you out unfairly. I am merely tailoring your allowed weapons to protect the server. The alternative is simply banning you, and Honda has no trouble banning dominant players. You may think it unfair, but you neglect the unfairness of the others that have to spend hours watching, recording, documenting reviewing, and discussing an instance of a player who is suspected of wall hacking. It is unfair to take their time, so I would please ask that you understand that aspect and help us out by refraining from the wall spamming, and since we can't be here to watch you 24/7 the weapon restrictions can, so that is the fairest option for all involved. What this achieves is that, nobody needs to suspect you unfairly of wallhacking since you won't be shooting through walls. Nobody needs to record, review, discuss your shooting through walls, since you wont be. Then if Apu calls you out, we can all back you up. |
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| Corporal I Posts: 28 |
# Answer: 6 - 2016-10-09 at 8:25 PM
But if I can 100 percent confirm that there is people in a room i.e. tracers flying out the window, grenades being thrown out of it, enemy voices coming from it and guns glitching out of walls. can i then shoot them through the wall? Ill hold off on using suppressive fire but id still like to know if I am allowed to act upon the information the game readily provides me. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 7 - 2016-10-09 at 9:17 PM
Hmmmm. you seem to be more concerned with defining the parameters by which you can wall spam, than taking the desire to stop wall spamming to heart. That will still cause extraneous suspicion, watching, recording, reviewing, and discussion. Looks like I will need to talk to Honda and Mackey and build a consensus (see more discussion). Maybe bolt-only is the way to go as it will be simpler to apply, or something else creative. I will keep you posted. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 8 - 2016-10-09 at 9:50 PM
Hi Inigo, So I discussed your situation with Mackey and we both agree the easiest way to to deal with this issue is to do the following: For normal rule sets, you are required to used a BOLT ACTION RIFLE ONLY (kar98, mosin, springfield, arisaka) or shotgun. Other maps that have pistol, bolt, shotgun,perks-only, knives, you will use that rule set. However we will ALLOW you to wallspam if you wish, it is too difficult to admin or define parameters. So BOLT ONLY/SHOTTY for you. So instead of switching at 35, you must switch at 0. Enforcement will begin as soon as I configure it, which can happen at any time starting now. |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 9 - 2016-10-10 at 6:38 AM
As a result of this thread: http://outtact.net/index.php?mod=board&action=thread&where=23 19&start=0 Inigo Montoya's Perm Ban has been re-instated. In addition, to send a strong message, he is also concurrently temp banned by bitterbot for 10 years. Last edit by BitterSpock at 2016-10-10 at 6:41 AM (1x Edited) |
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 HansUKGunnery Sergeant III Posts: 86 |
# Answer: 10 - 2016-10-15 at 11:32 AM
I would love to see bolt only and enforced. all other elements of wall spamming, hacking etc would cause the admin team enormous work. We have been there before in my old club iogc.co.uk. i enjoy playing on your servers as you try to enforce the rules. keep up the good work lads and in good gaming spirit " Happy shooting forever". |
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| BitterSpock Master of Time and Space Location: Planet Vulcan Posts: 2863 |
# Answer: 11 - 2016-10-15 at 12:36 PM
TY for the kind word Hans |
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